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Effects of Globalization(Outsourcing)

Praveen Pranum
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What are the effects of Globalization(Outsourcing) on an average american ??? and american job market ???
Can you please post your opinion ???
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Praveen Pranum
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Also I am interested to see peoples opinion on short term and long term effects on globalization on an average american and american job market.
Does america need to change in its attitude in order to be competitive in this job market???
Does a normal american change his ways of thinking in the global market ???
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Paul McKenna
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The first effect of globalization I notice is that hypocrites will exploit it for their personal gain and then complain about it when it lets them down.


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Praveen Pranum
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I guess the hypocrites here would be the people ranging from politicians to corporate CEOS to Hiring managers.
Now can a normal educated american do anything about the outsourcing. Or he pretty much has to get succumbed to the whole globalization and keep quiet??
Paul McKenna
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IMHO the hypocrite could even be a person like you or me, Praveen. For instance a person could use the H1-B visa to come to the US, become a citizen and then complain that H1-B's are stealing his job.
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Praveen Pranum
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Ofcourse I will complain about H-1 B as I am a true immigant who aspires to be an american. I will be an american citizen in 2 more years. And I will support for the welfare of america in my thoughts.
As I came to US for Higher Studies on an F-1 Visa and to have a better life style and I was loyal to my employer for 5 years and waited the whole 5 years before I got my green card. I am not like one of those H-1 B guys who came directly work 2 years here on H-1 B and started making tons of money.
Each and every thing I took from this world is my hard earned money. Besides I am one of those hardsworkers who work from 8 am to 8 pm every day.
So I am not a hypocrite. I am a true american.
San Su
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Originally posted by Sriraj Rajaram:
IMHO the hypocrite could even be a person like you or me, Praveen. For instance a person could use the H1-B visa to come to the US, become a citizen and then complain that H1-B's are stealing his job.
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Praveen Pranum
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H-1 B was goood to a certain extent. There should be a limit to anything. I came to america to settle down here not to go back. I aspired staying to here Because there will be better prospects for the jobs.
Now after living so many years(8 1/2 years) here there is no point in going back to india for me.
Praveen
San Su
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Originally posted by Praveen Prav:
[QB]Ofcourse I will complain about H-1 B as I am a true immigant who aspires to be an american. I will be an american citizen in 2 more years. And I will support for the welfare of america in my thoughts.

"true immigrant"??? could you please define "true" and "false" immigrant. I have seen legal and illegal immigrants. H1B are as "true immigrants" as you are and lots of them aspires to be an american (or atleast a green card holders). And who said that they don't support for america's welfare? Afterall their welfare is also tied to america's welfare.

As I came to US for Higher Studies on an F-1 Visa and to have a better life style and I was loyal to my employer for 5 years and waited the whole 5 years before I got my green card. I am not like one of those H-1 B guys who came directly work 2 years here on H-1 B and started making tons of money.

Even if I take your statement is a fact, What is wrong in making tons of money? People came/come here to have a better life style, you are not the only one to think like that.


Each and every thing I took from this world is my hard earned money. Besides I am one of those hardsworkers who work from 8 am to 8 pm every day.

Don't know why what is the purpose of saying it here.. Anyway, more power to you..


So I am not a hypocrite. I am a true american.

No, you are not..
Praveen Pranum
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A legal immigrant who aspires to be an american and later on thinks in the welfare of america is a true american.
Just like, If you have good thoughts for india
you are good indian.
There is perfectly nothing wrong with that.
I Accept the fact that america gave a chance to me to earn more money and have a better life style here other wise who knows what I may be doing in india, may be selling vegetables or peanuts on the road in India.
I love america because there is no caste system here. Its more liberal society.
I love india as well.. It was my birth country and a great country, but america is a country made of immigrants and the country that gave me a real chance in my career.
If you are still an H-1 B you wont feel this way as you have not gone through the pain of green card process yet (hardship) to stay in america. And every thing you say will be about earning money and converting that into indian currency.
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Pakka Desi
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Originally posted by Praveen Prav:
Ofcourse I will complain about H-1 B as I am a true immigant who aspires to be an american. I will be an american citizen in 2 more years. And I will support for the welfare of america in my thoughts.

Good for you. You said, "I will support...". So you won't support until you become a citizen, is that so?

As I came to US for Higher Studies on an F-1 Visa and to have a better life style and I was loyal to my employer for 5 years and waited the whole 5 years before I got my green card. I am not like one of those H-1 B guys who came directly work 2 years here on H-1 B and started making tons of money.

Well, you waited for 5 years because that's how much time it took you to get a green card. If you had got the GC in two years, you wouldn't still be "loyal" to your employer for another 3 years. Would you?
You "were" not like H1Bs only until you were on a student visa. Once you are on H1B, you "are" on H1B. There is no "like" there. In fact, if somebody didn't study in US and still made tons of money, I'd call him smart as well as lucky. And that doesn't make him any inferior to you.

Each and every thing I took from this world is my hard earned money. Besides I am one of those hardsworkers who work from 8 am to 8 pm every day.

Oh really :roll: And all others who don't work from 8to8 and still make more money than you are not hardworkers? May be not. But hardwork alone is not very important. You have to work smart also. So if you say you are a hardworker, it means just that. Not a big deal in this market. If anybody has a job, he IS working hard for sure.

So I am not a hypocrite. I am a true american.

Hypocrite, imns. You most probably suffer from superiority and inferiority complex combined
Define "true american" :roll:


I'm just saying...it's right there!
Praveen Pranum
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Pakka desi,
No matter what!, I am smarter than you. Even if you argue and shake you ass here and there You are still dumb.
Not only that you are dumb , dumber and dumbest
Ha! ha! ha! Ha!!!

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Paul McKenna
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OK.. I think things have become ugly here. And Praveen I thought you had some valid argument to make but you have proven yourself to be the biggest hypocrite.
I came here to the US on a H1-B and I too aspire to be an American citizen. I too went through the "painful" process of obtaining a green card and that should be enough to prove you wrong when you state that H1-Bs probably do not care enough about America to become Americans.
BTW, you said you worked for 5 years after obtaining your studies. On which visa did you work?? The only visa that would have permitted you to work before obtaining your green card is the H1-B.. unless you worked as an illegal immigrant!
As a side note.. please refrain from participating in this discussion forum if you are unable to conduct yourself in a decent manner (i.e. not calling people stupid / lower than thou etc..)
Praveen Pranum
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sriraj Rajaram and paka desi is the same person.
I guess sriRaj rajaram is one of those body shop owners as he posts jobs and requests every one to send resume to his address.
Paul McKenna
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Request the moderator to close this thread.
Thank You.
San Su
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The more I read his crap, the more I doubt about his "claimed" country of Origin.
Praveen Pranum
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Shankar,
You are absolutely right fella. I am from pakisthan.
Sara Jahan
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Dear Praveen Parv,
With the kind of attitude you have shown and the kind of posts you usually put, I join you in praying that you get the American passport you so desperately want. As a "True Indian", I would not like to see you any where near Indian sub-continent.
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Praveen Pranum
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Sarah Jahan is Shankar ..
San Su
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Originally posted by Praveen Prav:
Sarah Jahan is Shankar ..

LOL... I don't need a fake ID to express my view/thoughts/feelings..
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Praveen Pranum
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lol lol ha! ha! ha! ha!
Pakka Desi
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Originally posted by Praveen Prav:
Pakka desi,
No matter what!, I am smarter than you. Even if you argue and shake you ass here and there You are still dumb.
Not only that you are dumb , dumber and dumbest
Ha! ha! ha! Ha!!!


[ May 30, 2003: Message edited by: Praveen Prav ]
[ May 30, 2003: Message edited by: Praveen Prav ]

You can't even type two lines of crap correctly in one shot. You required two editions and you think you are smarter than me :roll:
Anyway, I never said I am smarter than you and I have no problem if you think you are smarter than me.
Sara Jahan
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Originally posted by Praveen Prav:
Sarah Jahan is Shankar ..

First time I have been called that...
Laddu Babu
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pakka desi,
Can you please wipe my *ss. A pakka desi can give me pakka *ss.
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Chitra Kumar
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Praveen,
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H-1 B was goood to a certain extent. There should be a limit to anything. I came to america to settle down here not to go back. I aspired staying to here Because there will be better prospects for the jobs.
Now after living so many years(8 1/2 years) here there is no point in going back to india for me.
Praveen
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Shankar,
You are absolutely right fella. I am from pakisthan.
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Just picked up a couple of your posts. Which country are you really from? Most of your posts are definitely directed against India/Indians.
Chitra Kumar
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Originally posted by Praveen Prav:
Ofcourse I will complain about H-1 B as I am a true immigant who aspires to be an american. I will be an american citizen in 2 more years. And I will support for the welfare of america in my thoughts.
As I came to US for Higher Studies on an F-1 Visa and to have a better life style and I was loyal to my employer for 5 years and waited the whole 5 years before I got my green card. I am not like one of those H-1 B guys who came directly work 2 years here on H-1 B and started making tons of money.
Each and every thing I took from this world is my hard earned money. Besides I am one of those hardsworkers who work from 8 am to 8 pm every day.
So I am not a hypocrite. I am a true american.

This post is full of contradictions. F-1 (student) visa is supposed to be a non-immigrant visa. One of the requirements is to prove to the US Consulate that you will return after completing your studies. That this is rarely followed is a different issue. But don't mislead all by saying that just because you came on F-1 gives you a title of "true immigrant".
You say that you will be an American citizen in two years and in the last sentence you say that you are a true American. I have nothing to say here.
As far as your loyalty towards your employer goes, do you have a choice when you start your green card process?
You will support the welfare of America in your thoughts? Not in deed??
Finally, just accept the fact that America can and will go on just fine without you or me. Many talented people all over the world struggle just to get here.
You are not a hypocrite, of course. Your attitude is just this: I am in, fellas, now please close the door.
Praveen Pranum
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Folks,
The point of this Topic is Outsourcing. Lets not go out of the subject. Its not a discussion about H-1 B. To go or not to go with outsourcing ??? . Obviously we got sidetracked because of some vague questions from people here. But lets try to stay on outsourcing.
Menaka gangamavari
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Instead of trying to outsource software projects to india. US should first try outsourcing projects to individuals and teams just so see what the productivity is like???
But I guess companies do not have time to try experiments like this.
Individual persons bidding for the contracts makes the trade highly privatized in the country.

Also there might be lot of complications involved like who is going to provide software???
Although the developer might have computer at his home computer or a laptop, but software could be expensive.
There might be a situation where there could be one project which have bids from a team of "n" number of people to a team of just 2 people or may be a bid from an individual developer.
Are there companies like this in the market that accept bids from small teams ???
Manav Mitra
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Strange!!!
First they wanted to stop this H1 stuff, now it's outsourcing...
Ironically guys back here in India also oppose globalization, because it is affecting their business and jobs. Coke recently started offering its "Chhota Coke" for INR 5, something that you'd spend for a cup of tea or "Ganne Ka Juice", and then these guys started cribbing that coke should be banned from doing this. Ask thousands of mill-workers from Bomaby, how they lost their jobs in late 80s and 90s.
Education used to be quite good and very cheap in India, now despite of earning IT salary I am unable to afford a PG degree which requires anywhere between 75K to 150 K a year. Globalization does affect economy, one way or the other. And it hurts 3rd world countries more than anyone else. When you have free market, the MNCs will rule and they'll do whatever gives them "best value for money". And it's inevitable, you can withstand globalization only when you are competant & prudent.
As for India companies, it's high time they realized that they need to have a stronger product based revenue generation model rather than just depending on the projects from other countries.
 
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