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Chloe Loh
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Joined: Aug 27, 2002
Posts: 22
i was very happy and feel i'm lucky that I got 3 offers at the same time, but the problem comes...which one I should take?
1) This is a international company, they offer a job for customizing and supporting their ERP, SCM and EAM system with java. Although it's international company, I just need to support local customers.
2) This is a small local software house, they offer a j2EE programmer post to develop online payment application.
3) This is a small local software house, they offer a j2EE programmer post to develop online stock and shares application.
Obviously, the small software house in our country don't have proper SDLC, don't have documentation.
I'm new to J2EE programming, I hope that I can become a IT solution provider which can propose solutions to improve work process, service or anything in the life and implementing them in future.
Now, I'm looking for a job that I can gain the experience for it and gain the experience for a better future career. May I have some suggetions from my fellows? Which job is more possible to make a good future career?
Thanks all, I have been scratching my head on this, but I haven't come out with a decision, might need more opinion from you all, who have more experience..
Manish Hatwalne
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Joined: Sep 22, 2001
Posts: 2578

Three offers to choose from in this economy!!! Man, am I jealous?
Cool! Option 2 & 3 seem more interesting to me, of course the payment also would be a major factor.
- Manish
Chloe Loh
Greenhorn

Joined: Aug 27, 2002
Posts: 22
Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:
Three offers to choose from in this economy!!! Man, am I jealous?
Cool! Option 2 & 3 seem more interesting to me, of course the payment also would be a major factor.
- Manish

I think I'm lucky to get jobs in this bad economy but I guess it's not really that difficult to get a job in my country because most of the companies don't expect good developing skills, as long as you can come out with something working and they can sell, quality doesn't matter much here. And they might be more interested in whether you can work late and on weekend. A bit out of the topics.
Nevertheless, they pay almost same, the 2) and 3) jobs also sounds more interesting for me. But honestly, local software companies here don't really care much about project management, planning, analysis & design. You can find the codes in the whole project have no comment at all, No documentation, and there could be a J2EE project, only MVC is the design pattern you can find they are applying.

I'm thinking to move to IT implementation and project management field in future. I'm thinking if I should gain more experience with the job 1) 1st by supporting the project developed in an international company.
Mnnn....curious.....may I ask my friends here from all those countries that with longer software development history and more advanced technology. Are there most of the softwares developed by your local software house are planned and designed professionally or there also could be situation like "Just Do It! change and documentation when problem occurs" :roll:
Treat it as a sharing of developers' life in every corners in this world.....
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Originally posted by Chloe Loh:

I think I'm lucky to get jobs in this bad economy but I guess it's not really that difficult to get a job in my country because most of the companies don't expect good developing skills, as long as you can come out with something working and they can sell, quality doesn't matter much here. And they might be more interested in whether you can work late and on weekend. A bit out of the topics.
Nevertheless, they pay almost same, the 2) and 3) jobs also sounds more interesting for me. But honestly, local software companies here don't really care much about project management, planning, analysis & design. You can find the codes in the whole project have no comment at all, No documentation, and there could be a J2EE project, only MVC is the design pattern you can find they are applying.

I'm thinking to move to IT implementation and project management field in future. I'm thinking if I should gain more experience with the job 1) 1st by supporting the project developed in an international company.
Mnnn....curious.....may I ask my friends here from all those countries that with longer software development history and more advanced technology. Are there most of the softwares developed by your local software house are planned and designed professionally or there also could be situation like "Just Do It! change and documentation when problem occurs" :roll:
Treat it as a sharing of developers' life in every corners in this world.....

Hi Chloe,
Which "blind" men country do you lived? My dad used to say: "if you happens to live in the blind men country, all you need is one eye to be their king."
2 & 3 seems like specialist jobs.
1 seems like a support engineer/developer job.
Based on your career goal, I think you prefer option 1. But you need some encouragement. How proactive or outgoing are you? Is it a diversify company? Some companies despite sheltering under the diversify umbrella for P.R./P.C. actually homogenous with an accent of minority here and there. Is this company documentation well organize? Have you seen them? Where is your immediate manager base? Is the mangager have an open office door policy or practice by himself? Where is the IS team locate? What kind of operation mold is the company operated on? Did you like the team even for the brief periods interface previously? There are times you will discover the problem is not in the coding but in the management or in the operation flow chart. You need them to back you up so you could talk with your manager and recommend changed. You will work with cross departments and function as you gain more knowledge. This job requires multidimensional individual.
Good Lucks,
MCao
[ June 28, 2003: Message edited by: Matt Cao ]
Chloe Loh
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Joined: Aug 27, 2002
Posts: 22
Originally posted by Matt Cao:

Hi Chloe,
Which "blind" men country do you lived? My dad used to say: "if you happens to live in the blind men country, all you need is one eye to be their king."
2 & 3 seems like specialist jobs.
1 seems like a support engineer/developer job.
Based on your career goal, I think you prefer option 1. But you need some encouragement. How proactive or outgoing are you? Is it a diversify company? Some companies despite sheltering under the diversify umbrella for P.R./P.C. actually homogenous with an accent of minority here and there. Is this company documentation well organize? Have you seen them? Where is your immediate manager base? Is the mangager have an open office door policy or practice by himself? Where is the IS team locate? What kind of operation mold is the company operated on? Did you like the team even for the brief periods interface previously? There are times you will discover the problem is not in the coding but in the management or in the operation flow chart. You need them to back you up so you could talk with your manager and recommend changed. You will work with cross departments and function as you gain more knowledge. This job requires multidimensional individual.
Good Lucks,
MCao
[ June 28, 2003: Message edited by: Matt Cao ]

Thanks a lot Matt,
Your advices really help a lot for me in considering which job best suited me. I really have to make my decision as fast as I can now, delay in making the decision seems very unsincere for those companies.
Matt Cao
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi Chloe,
Just send a postal mails to those two companies explain your predicament that your career goal and the positions they offered are not quite match and wish them the lucks to find your replacement. Do a follow up call about 2 weeks or more depended your local practice.
Don't worry about letting them down because corporations do not give a crap about letting you go when they feel the urge. The way executives view each project is a gamble, if they are not win, scramble and redeal. All those subordinates are the subjects of redeal(lay-off).
Hope you will navigate your career well, you will become Production Manager, Operation Manager, or higher COO.
Cheers,
MCao
Joe Brennan
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Joined: Jun 05, 2003
Posts: 9
Hi Chloe
You've probably decided by now by I'd
go with option 1.
An international company might have a bit more job security and better reputation when you go looking for another job.
Joe
[ July 01, 2003: Message edited by: Joe Brennan ]

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