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Aj Mathia
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Had posted a topic titled Rated R Bra which was deleted.
It would be really Appreciated if people would atleast send a private message as to why a message was deleted or moved.
especially when there are already heaps of vulgarity posted with the title mentioning a rating.
Mostly what really concerns me is things vanishing. well if there is a problem it is a good thing to let people know about it.


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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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OK, I'm sending you a PM.


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Aj Mathia
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Ok I read your PM and have send you back a PM as well.
I think others should be given a jist of it so they do not unknowingly do something similar
Also this may provide feedback to the other moderators on similar issues
Dave Lenton
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Originally posted by Ajay Mathew:
Had posted a topic titled Rated R Bra which was deleted.
... with the title mentioning a rating.
Avoiding for the moment the issue of if its acceptable or not to post controversial stuff if it has a warning (which is none of my business), "Rated R" only makes sense if you have been exposed to a culture which uses that particular rating system. Personally I've got no idea what "R" implies. It could just as easily be Really Good, Rude, Romantic or Right For Kids as far as I'm concerned!


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Jim Yingst
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Ajay - does the link at the top of the MD forum help?

Read more about this "Meaningless Drivel" forum


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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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For the record, the reason the post was deleted was not because it was "Rated R" (which means, in the U.S. system, "Restricted: No one under 17 admitted") but rather because the joke had to do with religion, and jokes about religion generally don't work here.

To show my good faith, I am going to move this thread back to MD with this particular joke removed -- there are actually three posts in it, and the other two are fine.

Here it is.
[ December 08, 2005: Message edited by: Ernest Friedman-Hill ]
Jim Yingst
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[EFH]: To show my good faith,

Nice ironic use of "faith" there EFH.

[EFH]: "Rated R" (which means, in the U.S. system, "Restricted: No one under 17 admitted")

You're thinking of NC-17. Dave, should you care, more info can be found here. But more to your point - seems like there are lots of culturally specific terms in subject lines, and rated R is just one. Me, I'd like some consistent way of marking those boring cricket and soccer (yeah, football - whatever) threads. They typically use unfamiliar terms, and I don't know what I'm getting into until I open the thread - at which point I'm immediately in danger of falling asleep. But I manage.

I suppose, should we continue to see certain pseudo-standard tags emerge in subject lines, we might either (a) make an effort to use more widely-understood terms, or (b) provide a glossary of sorts. Or (c) let people work it out on their own - how tough can it be? [link]

Even for those familiar with MPAA ratings, Rated R is rather vague. But at least it's short. Got a particular term you'd prefer to see used here?
[ December 08, 2005: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]
Aj Mathia
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Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
Avoiding for the moment the issue of if its acceptable or not to post controversial stuff if it has a warning (which is none of my business), "Rated R" only makes sense if you have been exposed to a culture which uses that particular rating system. Personally I've got no idea what "R" implies. It could just as easily be Really Good, Rude, Romantic or Right For Kids as far as I'm concerned!


Ha you are funny :roll:
guess for some Bra stands for brazil.
Rated Real Good Brazil.

is it not strange . people jump into conclusions even before they cross the start line. :roll:
Aj Mathia
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Ernest/Jim,
Just to question the faith, where was it when moderators/ sheriffs quoted things like this
As a colonel in the US AirForce, my orders would come from the President of the USA. The opinion of the UN would be of little interest to me since it would probably be something like, "convince the aliens to attack Israel since Zionism is racism."


"It was in fact FIFTEEN commandments. Three stone tablets, not two. However Moses tripped and accidentally dropped one of the Tablets, and instead of admitting to it, he said that there were only TEN commandments (i.e., two tablets instead of three).

This is all well documented in Mel Brooks film "The History of the World, Part I (or II)".
"

Of course, if Cain and Seth had been Texan... etc etc etc

yea and heaps of jokes on americans ,sardars and other people from other countries.
jokes about nuns,pope, bush and so on

ha actually like Jim had provided a link to enlighten the lost ones i would like to add.
use the search feature located on the top of the page and check out links to jesus/pope/islam or what ever and have a think on where the thin 'fine' line lies.


heck yes since you have put back the thread you might have to delete the second post at well since it is offensive to any one who wears a bra.
oops and the third one too since germans maybe offended.
and Paul W 's The F words since it is like a documentary/ or training session tape. so may offend people from that community.
and so on and on

Keep the faith.
Jim Yingst
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[Ajay]: Just to question the faith, where was it when moderators/ sheriffs quoted things like this

Offhand, I don't know. If those are recent posts and someone's upset with them, point out the specific posts and I'll be glad to remove them. If they're old, I don't really care. In the past we were more permissive in MD. Then we got tired of dealing with perpetual arguments from whiny posters who thought it very very important that we moderate things just the way they wanted. Ultimately we decided that since this is primarily a Java site, we have better things to do than spend all our time refereeing stupid fights over things that happen in MD. Hence the current policy. There will always be borderline cases. We might miss some things. If they are RECENT and you point them out politely, we can deal with them. However in general, the more people complain about how things are handled in MD, the more things we'll simply delete, because MD is just not worth the effort it takes to keep everyone happy.
[ December 08, 2005: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
[QBHowever, in general, the more people complain about how things are handled in MD, the more things we'll simply delete, because MD is just not worth the effort it takes to keep everyone happy.
[/QB]


Not limited to the deletion of the entire MD forum, which has been discussed. Just be nice and think of others before yourself. Think about that everytime you post something.


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Aj Mathia
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I have no problems with others posts yet
I just feel i am being targeted maybe because of some prior tussles / misinterpretations / misunderstanding
as this forum quotes about whining I am just whining.
dont want cops on my back just because i look offensive
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Originally posted by Ajay Mathew:

I just feel i am being targeted maybe because of some prior tussles / misinterpretations / misunderstanding


I can say with 100% sincerity that I'm not aware of (or simply don't remember) any problems between you and the staff, and I deleted the post because I genuinely felt that it was Not Nice toward certain religious groups. Any time you say, or imply, "Pastafarians do X", you're impugning a group of people based on their faith, and we don't put up with that here. End of story. Anytime that I see this happening, I delete it.

OK, folks, move along. These are not the threads you're looking for.
Aj Mathia
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Well alls well that end well.
I was a bit cheesed of earlier on but looking back i guess it wasnt right to start of this thread.
My bad.
Apologies.
Jim Yingst
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For my part Ajay, I'm sorry I got snippy there. You inadvertently reminded me of old arguments that I didn't want to go through again. No hard feelings, I hope. Here, have a beer. Cheers!

Now - weren't there some droids we were supposed to be looking for? I thought I saw them near here, but things got kind of fuzzy after that...
Dave Lenton
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Dave, should you care, more info can be found here.

Cheers. Hmm, the link says that the ratings are "voluntary". Is that true? Here in the UK ratings are mandatory - a certification board rates a film and its illegal to let someone younger then the rating buy a ticket/rent it out to watch it. For example - a film rated as "18" cannot be sold to children.
But more to your point - seems like there are lots of culturally specific terms in subject lines, and rated R is just one. Me, I'd like some consistent way of marking those boring cricket and soccer (yeah, football - whatever) threads. They typically use unfamiliar terms, and I don't know what I'm getting into until I open the thread - at which point I'm immediately in danger of falling asleep. But I manage.

Its true that a certain amount of cultural confusion should be expected. If I see something I don't understand in a post then I should make the effort to read the rest of the post to get and understanding of the context, and then if I still don't understand it then look it up.

This subject was a bit different though. It seems as if the purpose (although in a semi-humorous way) was to give a warning that the contents of the post could offend, and shouldn't be read by someone who is likely to be offended by it. If someone really did want to make this kind of warning (although that may not be the case here), perhaps a more generic warning would be helpful. Otherwise someone may, in their confusion, read the thread anyway in an attempt to decipher the meaning.

I'm not saying that threads should have a warning against "adult content" (I doubt there's many on this forum who would care or be offended), but just that in theory adding "Rated R" isn't a good way of warning people not to read a thread if they would be offended by this type of content.... I'm just being pedantic!

Even for those familiar with MPAA ratings, Rated R is rather vague. But at least it's short. Got a particular term you'd prefer to see used here?
For threads? No. It seems the rules of MD prohibit any kind of offensive postings, so we don't need to be warned about them.

For films etc, I would suggest that some of the UK system is worth having - rating films as "18", "15", "12" etc is a good idea. Unfortunately the system here has been made a bit more confusing by the addition of "PG" (parental guidance e.g. not quite a 12, but some more stuffy parents may not want their kids to see it) and "15a" (which means kids under 15 can see it, but only if accompanied by an adult).
 
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