This week's book giveaway is in the OCPJP forum. We're giving away four copies of OCA/OCP Java SE 7 Programmer I & II Study Guide and have Kathy Sierra & Bert Bates on-line! See this thread for details.
Hi Guys, I am a Sun Certified Java Developer with 4 years commercial Java development experience. I am currently living in the UK and am really struggling to find work, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what salary I should ask for when asked. I don't have a degree in IT (only business) and I have no investment banking experience. I would really like to know an asking rate for both permanent and contract. Thanks in advance Brian
Brian, My experience is that you don't get to choose your own salary, one will be offered to you when you get an offer. If you look at job postings (e.g on jobserve.com) then you will see that someone with your skills and experience can earn between �30K and �50K. You say you don't have any investment banking experience. Do you want to be an investment banker, or a software engineer? If you want to work in London, then there are a lot of jobs with banks/financial software companies available, however you don't always need financial experience. Unfortunately for you, a lot of them are using C++ and to a lesser degree, .NET. The best places to look for employers posting jobs directly are (in order); their websites, monster.co.uk, zdnet.co.uk. If you have exhausted these possibilites, I know of a very good agent in the london area whose name I can give you. hth, Richard
Joined: Jun 02, 2003
Hi Richard, Thanks for the advice. I want to be a software developer the reason I added that is that most of the postings I have seen on jobserve etc require investment banking experience Thanks again Brian
Richard, I also would have an interest in knowing about an excellent recruiter. Good recruiters can be worth their weight in gold!
Joined: May 25, 2001
Indeed they are! Compared with the hordes of beer drinking tw*ts that pass as IT recruiters here, he is an absolute star. If you email me, I will gladly forward you his details. He is London based. Richard richard_scothernNOSPAM@hotmail.com (remove the NOSPAM)
Richard you say "My experience is that you don't get to choose your own salary, one will be offered to you when you get an offer. " Now, I've just applied for a job as a Junior web developer and I was asked how much salary I would expect. I don't know what to say. So what should I tell them? I consider myself a junior Java developer with good knowledge of Servlets, JSPs, SQL and JavaBeans. Am currently learning Struts. Please help. I live here in London, UK and I'm graduating this month with a degree in Internet Computing. I worked for JWebHosting.Net of Hawaii(www.jwebhosting.net) for nearly a year, which is where I learnt the fundamentals of JSPs and Serlvets.
In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future. The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that no longer exists.<br />Eric Hoffer
I always like to weasel out and say "A competitive one - something around the average market rates". As long as you're dealing with pros, that's enough to get them started. If, OTOH, you're dealing with people outside the industry, chances are that they won't know what's competitive. There should be places you can find out, based on job title/skill level. Certainly I can find the for the US, Malaysia and India. Of course, one problem with negotiating salary with non-IT people is that even in these dimished times, a competitive salary can give them a jolt. They'll usually be more used to MacDonalds'level salaries.
Customer surveys are for companies who didn't pay proper attention to begin with.
Joined: Aug 27, 2001
Thanks Mark for directing me to the thread. I will read it soon.