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Any future in IT?

Paresh Gandhi
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I am Sun certified Java programmer and Sun web component certified.
Both these exams passed with very high marks.
Still my career is not going anywhere? I have got the job but didn’t get any recognition for passing these exams.
I am really depressed and feeling low about this don’t know what to do?
Also there is no jobs anywhere to go to.
Someone please advice what to do.
Tim Holloway
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Nonsense. There are literally thousands of jobs opening up in India right now, to say nothing of many other places around the globe.
For all the gloom, doom, and despair that prevails around this forum, the IT industry is still a growth industry for the forseeable future and a critical part of any successful endeavor. The only thing those of us in the U.S. are concerned about is that in a mad stampede to minimize costs, the developed nations are going to overdo the offshoring and wreck their economies by driving their consumers out of the market.
While there's still precious little hiring being done anywhere near where I live, I can provide the names of some of the big hirers elsewhere around the world.


Customer surveys are for companies who didn't pay proper attention to begin with.
Gayathri Prasad
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Dear Concerned,
You need to have the right attitude .. and Certification alone will never work so.. get on to the right track and give a power shift to your career. Jobs are ofocurse happening everywhere.http://www.punejava.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Jobs is just one link to see what is the potential of java jobs in India.Think Globally act locally.
Cheers,
Gaya3
Billy Tsai
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SCJP and SCWCD are nothing those 2 certs dont prove anything, even if you also have SCJD is still not enough, unless u also have SCEA and also a university IT related degree.
I know ppl who dont know any english that have SCJP and SCWCD hell they even have MCSE.
And dont worry I feel even more depressed than u r and in a sucidal way.


BEA 8.1 Certified Administrator, IBM Certified Solution Developer For XML 1.1 and Related Technologies, SCJP, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCDJWS, SCJD, SCEA,
Oracle Certified Master Java EE 5 Enterprise Architect
Paresh Gandhi
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Few things to clarify.
I have a degree in CS and SCJP2 and SCWCD.
Also I am located in UK and I am British citizen.
Now if someone can advice me then please do.
Taudo Wenzel
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Originally posted by Paresh Gandhi:
Few things to clarify.
I have a degree in CS and SCJP2 and SCWCD.
Also I am located in UK and I am British citizen.
Now if someone can advice me then please do.

Hi Paresh,
with a degree and your certifications and job experience I think you are well off.
I am also located in Europe. The recognition of the Sun Certifications is less than in the United States as they are not widely known among employers.
In my mind it is very important to have some knowledge in the business area of your future employer. You need to spezialize in one business area. Otherwise all technical expertise is useless. You would always need somebody to tell you exactly what to do.
Regards,
Taudo
HS Thomas
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And dont worry I feel even more depressed than u r and in a sucidal way.

Billy, stop it right there.
Get a job, any job now. IT is not the be all and end all. You have knowledge - your certifications prove it. But I hope you realise your knowledge needs to cover more than IT.
That knowledge experience at different jobs can give you and you'll be better for it in the long run.
regards
Billy Tsai
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a bachelor degree in computer science and scjp and scwcd are not enough because I have more than that and a university degree but i cant even get a data entry job and call centre CSR job
even getting a job as toilet cleaner or car washer is diffcult
Ashik Uzzaman
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Billy, you are in which country and city? Seems passing very hard time. IT scenaario should improve in future (may be in near guture). But we must keep updated with latest vacancy announcement and better to keep communication with various project managers so that they know you are available upon demand.
In my city, Dhaka, Bangladesh, my new firm and last firm are still looking for competent people even though IT scenario is not very sound here and a lot people have paper qualifications for these posts. But they don't have adequate project experiences.


Ashik Uzzaman
Senior Member of Technical Staff, Salesforce.com, San Francisco, CA, USA.
HS Thomas
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Linux Systems installer - offer cheaper installations at those small shops ,law firms,estate agents, at a shopping centre near you. You could get your first programming and design job there.
librarian - opportunity for designing some really clever search and indexing systems.
Post those jobs wanted ads you see in libraries,stores, big department boards,newspapers in a
web site.Match those against skills wanted on the same boards(different locations) and you could get yourself a job agency.
That doesn't lead to a big car,big house right away, but I bet in 10 yrs time you'll have yourself a friggin' mansion with a Roller parked outside.(let's face it you are hardly likely to have that being a progrsmmer in a big Corporation)
It just needs some guts to face the challenge.
You are only young once; Those who have it good now, would probably have spent it all in 10 yrs time and then back to square one.You have a head start,mate.
Reminds me of a true story, where one of the big -winners of the dot.com bubble was not in IT, but a shrewd secretary who went into real-estate selling houses to the new millionaires. She did her homework and knew where to find them as soon as they floated. Commissions off millions of dollars and now she is several times richer than most of them.
regards
[ July 19, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Billy Tsai
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okay
Kevin Thompson
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Paresh!
I certainly have some advice for you!
Be glad you are working!
I have way more certifications than you, I have work experience as a Java Developer, I have worked in IT for over a decade, I can prove I know java(I pass the technical exams, I send out coding samples), but I am not working.
I sent out over 1 dozen resumes about 2 weeks ago to local companies that had ads for Java Developers - and I have had no response.
Kevin
Svetlana Koshkina
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:

That doesn't lead to a big car,big house right away, but I bet in 10 yrs time you'll have yourself a friggin' mansion with a Roller parked outside.(let's face it you are hardly likely to have that being a progrsmmer in a big Corporation)

[ July 19, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]

What if I am too old? And I am. If I start my climbing up today from a librarian I will die and never have big car and big house? In spite of my high potential and creativity and blah-blah-blah world experience?
As I understood, there are a lot of openings in India because USA ships its jobs there. For me going to India is not an option. I am living as a gipsy without it long enough. I want a big house and a car, now. And I am ready to earn it.
You guys are so depressive... I only hope that youth who is choosing the way of life today won't go to IT after reading these messages and that we have a chance in 1-2 years to have shortage in IT. Also some of old guys will retire. Maybe...Well, will you?
I suggest to hang on for a while and wait. If my prognosis does not stand, we could go suicidal then or win a lottery!
HS Thomas
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I want a big house and a car, now. And I am ready to earn it.

Er, doing what ?
I suggest to hang on for a while and wait.

Why wait? Billy could be half way to getting his big house and car by then.
We aren't depressive. We are optimistic, but probably not about IT, nor bio-technology (the next big thing) neither about alternative forms of energy (the big thing after that).
These are only means to an end.
The only certainties in life long-term are Taxes and Death.
What's wrong with being a librarian anyway ! Some of the happiest people I know are librarians. Libraries don't seem to suffer from a perpetual turn-around of staff.
Am I ready to retire ? Er , No. Taxes or Death do not make it a healthy option. But I could be looking for a job as a librarian.(All that cataloging, indexing , retrieving, customer facing sounds familiar. There are about a million kinds of librarians I'm sure dealing with all kinds of technology dealing with all kinds of subjects.
The more specialised it is the more pay you get. Lots more than a programmer I'm sure.(The worlds' best kept secret).
regards
[ July 19, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Matt Cao
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Hello,
The trick is find your own nich market, if someone pointed out for you. Great! treasure the kindness. Keep in Touch. I can not stress this point enough to all ranchers. So far, I can count on fingers that some of you see it.
All the certs and the technologies are just tools. The way you are going to apply it in the real world is really counted. Does not matter what organization you belongs into or want to belong in, know what kind of business operations of that organization is the most important. The proper technology applies in that organization only the second banana.
If you have industry experience but fail to see your niche markets. Blame the one in the mirror.
Regards,
MCao
Svetlana Koshkina
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:

Why wait? Billy could be half way to getting his big house and car by then.

[ July 19, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]

You are way too serious. I almost meant what i say . Well, never mind, but why any doubt that i am ready to earn my house? Do you challenge me?
You even don't know me. Ehe?
What i am doubt though that if one feels too depressed house is going to be ve-ery far away and you, guys, are of no help telling people how you are doing fine and how we have to squirm in this life to do what we want (note: we want to work, ok? not sit around). And to clarify my point when I said "wait" I meant not to whine a lot and threaten to jump out of window but go and work as a librarian. Only it's going to be very slow and no house in sight for quite some time.
And I don't see how one's wanting a big house can qualify him/her as not capable of earning one.
I'd better stop because I went into my droning mode. I only hope that I made myself clear, because I hate when I am misunderstood. If you have any question don't hesitate to ask. Be my pleasure to answer.Do I always have to put smiling graemlin to indicate that I am kidding?
HS Thomas
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and you, guys, are of no help telling people how you are doing fine and how we have to squirm in this life to do what we want (note: we want to work, ok? not sit around).
Who's doing fine ? I'd say I was about two or three moves away from Billy's position. Not many people are doing fine in IT today. My previous job was crap. i.e people playing politics and not doing what they ought to - THAT was depressing.
I was glad to come out of that one and be able to have some space to appreciate blue skies, green fields, my lovely family again.
As long as you have a roof over your head, a little put by for a "rainy" day and are HAPPY that's okay.Oh yes, one does need to find work.
But does a big car and house make a difference to the real *intrinsic* you - Do they make you a better person ?
People will certainly judge you differently.
I've met really nice people with large houses and big cars but I get the impression that if those disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't matter to them. They are so caught up in what they are doing ,( business people making a difference in people's lives ) , that as long as they were able to do that , THAT's what mattered.
I'd advise anyone to invest some time in finding what they really enjoy doing. That creates it's own momentum and you may never be out of work again. Fortunately , enthusiasm is not the perogative of the very young.
IT has so many dimensions. At which of it's pointcuts do you want to be a player ?
The more I think about it, a librarian post really appeals. All that research. A freelancing librarian could incorporate quite a bit of travel. Much better than being a programmer in a sweat-shop - however glorified that sweat-shop is.

regards
[ July 20, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Al Newman
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Who is doing fine?
Not me, not in any material sense anyway. I'm living in a small house in an unimpressive part of West London. No job, no car. Things could be worse it's true, but I'm no measure of flaming success right now.
Yet I'm pretty happy. Happier than I was last spring working for a fancy-ass management consultantcy. After a manager whom I had trusted cut my hamstrings in one of the nastier little political ploys I have seen.
Note: If a manager looks too good to be true, 'it' usually is...
I got a bit behind skillswise but seem to have caught up (if interviews are any guide). The recession looks to be ending. I'll have a decent job soon, albeit at a 15-25% cut in pay. But I expect to like my new job better than the last one!
[ July 20, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]

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Svetlana Koshkina
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Billy Tsai
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I just got officially declined again for a junior SQL Server DBA job from an official letter.
it is junior role for god sake!
and the salary is like only around $12500(b4 tax) USD a year and I can't even manage to get a god damn interview for that job with my qualifications not to mention I have MCDBA and at information systems university degree damn it.
Natalie Kopple
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Hi, Billy, do not get too frustrated or discouraged. Millions of people are in similar situation. It is good that you vent it out.
Try to divert your attention to other things; for example, find a project to work on. Of course, keep looking for jobs.
I am trying to build a web site. The registered members of that web site are supposed to send messages to each other. I do not yet know where to start. Would you like to help? The idea is like this: A, B are registered members of the web site. A can compose and send messages to B. B can select and view personal e-mail messages in his/her personal inbox and reply to the message. It is similar to the Yahoo e-mails. And I am using Struts.
Billy Tsai
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I think lots of website can do what u r trying to do already not to mention this website.
build a video conferencing tool using website with java
SJ Adnams
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Not me, not in any material sense anyway. I'm living in a small house in an unimpressive part of West London. No job, no car. Things could be worse it's true, but I'm no measure of flaming success right now.

I suggest a trip to southend (just a tenner on the train). It does wonders when you think life is dealing you bad hands.
Simon (east london)
Svetlana Koshkina
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Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
I just got officially declined again for a junior SQL Server DBA job from an official letter.
it is junior role for god sake!
and the salary is like only around $12500(b4 tax) USD a year and I can't even manage to get a god damn interview for that job with my qualifications not to mention I have MCDBA and at information systems university degree damn it.

For some reason junior positions are become very difficult to get. I had an impression that since they can serve as somebody's door into the industry (even for those who are not qualified) these position are being given to inside people and aquaintances.
I don't know it sounds very unfair and hopeless.
Also, the competition is ridiculously high. Say, it's like in a lottery, if there are 100 applications and all sounds good, what chance do you get in getting in? 1/100. They even won't bother to invite you for the interview. Maybe who applied first has better chances.
I also heard that applying for junior is tricky because if you sound as overqualified it looks suspisious as if you are not confident in yourself. For junior maybe better to apply in person, by stalking somebody in charge. ?? 've no idea.
Billy Tsai
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I applied on the first day that job ad came out
their reason is my skill set dont match, what kind of lameass reason is that, i dont know which part of the skills described in the ad mine dont match, i think all my skills and qualifications match that job pretty well. I personally thought i had a pretty good chance at it but I didnt even get to have a interview
Al Newman
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I suggest a trip to southend (just a tenner on the train). It does wonders when you think life is dealing you bad hands.

Simon, I don't believe life is dealing me a bad hand. The point I was helping to make is that not all of us optimists posting here are living a dream of affluence.
As for seeing poverty, Simon, well I live in Uxbridge (West London's version of Romsford). I don't need to spend a tenner, because 70p gets me a bus ride to Hayes (council flats centre) or to Southall. Southall has a lot of life in it, but things can get rough at night.
But I don't need to go that far to find crime. The house two over has been burgled twice in the last 6 months!
[ July 21, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]
Al Newman
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their reason is my skill set dont match, what kind of lameass reason is that

You got it - in one, Billy. It's obviously a mass-produced lame-ass excuse. If it was an online lisiting they probably got hit with anything between 50 and 1000 CV's, and they probably arbitrarily bit-bucketed all but 20 of them. Your CV probably didn't get read.
The answer is to put your efforts elsewhere, into what Tom Jackson calls The Hidden Job Market.
May I suggest that you pump everyone you know (especially working classmates from school) for information about local employers. Not only the ones they work for but ones they encounter in the course of their work. Ask them for names.
You could even ask them to ask 'friendly' senior colleagues whether they might be willing to help you out with advice. This could provide an opening to ask one or more of the senior people for an informational interview.
Lot's of good things can happen when you become visible in this way, Billy. Someone you talk to may have an opening or might be aware of an opening coming up either in her company or another place. If you impress them in the informational interview, that could be your inside 'in'. You might ask them whether they would mind if you occasionally email them with further question(s) as you learn more. A periodic emailed question will remind them of your existance (vis any current openings, for instance). Ask whom else they know who might be willing to help you learn.
Above all, find and read this book:
Guerilla Tactics in the Job Market.
Best book ever written about how to conduct a successful job hunt in an adverse market. I guarantee you that your public library will be able to help you find a copy, even though it's out of print. Do it. It's what you need!
P.S: I just ordered a copy of the 1981 edition for myself. My own search needs a boost. It cost me less than �6 including shipping.
But save yourself the cash and ask your nice librarian....
[ July 21, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]
Billy Tsai
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i have $1000 unpaid credit card bills from registering all the certification exams and -$500 in my bank account balance
HS Thomas
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But save yourself the cash and ask your nice librarian....

I'm leaving on a jet plane, don't know when I'll be back again...Maybe I should pack loads of "Guerrilla tactics in the job market"
Billy, have you been taking writing lessons ?
Leap of improvement there.
BTW , congratulations on your SCJD.
regards
[ July 22, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Craig Gaudon
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Billy,
Did you ever entertain the idea that you may be overqualified for most jobs, certainly junior dba jobs? I once worked for a an ivy league university in the US and we would get many resumes that looked like yours, for junior positions. And they would always go into the shredder. It wasn't my decision but their reasoning was the person is overqualified so they have 1 foot out of the door already. They see it as the new hire will probably start looking elsewhere as soon as we hire them, or won't put in the effort because it's beneath them, or will bump heads with the younger staff that's in higher positions....
Perhaps only showing the relevant certs on your resume for the position?


SCJP, OCP
Billy Tsai
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How can I be overqualified, I am in my early 20s and just graduated from university anyway I only had 4 certs when I applied for that position, I didnt have OCP DBA at that time yet
Craig Gaudon
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Believe it or not 4 certifications is a lot for a junior position. Most people in senior positions don't have 4. And they wouldn't have known your age. I'd be willing to bet that a 5 second scan of your resume would give most people the impression that you are way more qualified than you really are. Of course it could have been as simple as they got so many resumes for the position that they took the top 20 to sort through and threw the rest away. Don't get too discouraged man.
Mark Herschberg
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Originally posted by Craig Gaudon:
And they wouldn't have known your age.

In the US you can usually figure it out from date of an undergraduate degree.
--Mark
Al Newman
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Originally posted by Craig Gaudon:
Believe it or not 4 certifications is a lot for a junior position. Most people in senior positions don't have 4. And they wouldn't have known your age. I'd be willing to bet that a 5 second scan of your resume would give most people the impression that you are way more qualified than you really are. Of course it could have been as simple as they got so many resumes for the position that they took the top 20 to sort through and threw the rest away. Don't get too discouraged man.

Billy doesn't fit the pattern people are looking for in a Junior developer, Craig. There is no doubt that he'd be excellent in the proper role. With his ability to learn I can see him doing one of those roles with a little of everything in it. But it's not a normal slot at a big company.
So Billy has to learn how to work the job market in a smarter way to get this kind of job. I wish he'd make a trip to the library and read that book (it's only a small paperback), an afternoon's reading.
But I don't think he will. Billy prefers to feel suicidal I guess. Different strokes for different folks....
Thomas Paul
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The job market stinks right now but it isn't the first time that the IT market has sucked. Us old-timers will remember 1986 when an entry level guy couldn't get a job if he paid the boss. And the early 90's right before the dot com boom wasn't very good either. We recall the last 8 years and think that we have a god-given right to be immune to business cycles. Markets go up and markets go down. The market is slowly recovering. I am seeing some good signs in the marketplace that things are getting better. I think the overseas outsourcing issue is way overblown anyway. Companies have been putting off major IT work because of the economy. Once the economy gets back in gear these companies will have a huge amount of backlogged work that needs to be done. There will be boom times ahead. And there will be down times ahead. It's all part of life's rich pageant.


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Priyanka Chopda
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Hello guys,
I'm really going thru difficult time! Just got rejected from a developer's job and was recommended for the testing one! Personally Now I feel that experience is more important than a university degree! Inspite of being masters in CS and having good GPA (3.83 is it bad or good) and all knowledge of J2EE having a difficult time in getting interview calls. But after seeing Billy Tsai certification I think I should try crying and should prepare for some certifications in hope that it will help.
But frankly can anybody give me some suggestions whether or not in this tight market I should wait for right job or should I accept any damn testing job which I don't think suits my degree or knowledge?? Every day is depressing than the previous day
Any suggestions are mor than welcome
Thanks guys
Matt Cao
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Hi,
Originally posted by Priyanka Chopda:
Hello guys,
Just got rejected from a developer's job and was recommended for the testing one!


What's wrong with testing job? Do you have income currently?

Originally posted by Priyanka Chopda:

Personally Now I feel that experience is more important than a university degree! Inspite of being masters in CS and having good GPA (3.83 is it bad or good) and all knowledge of J2EE having a difficult time in getting interview calls.


I have seen top school with top class candidate resumes with all around activities which indicate those individuals are not nerds. Also have intern experiences since freshman years. So what make you better.
Originally posted by Priyanka Chopda:

But after seeing Billy Tsai certification I think I should try crying and should prepare for some certifications in hope that it will help.


Billy is too proud. Alfred, HS, and myself have trailing his comments since we learned his deadly intension. He has a dilemma that I see rare in higher education level.
Originally posted by Priyanka Chopda:

But frankly can anybody give me some suggestions whether or not in this tight market I should wait for right job or should I accept any damn testing job which I don't think suits my degree or knowledge?? Every day is depressing than the previous day
Any suggestions are mor than welcome
Thanks guys

I am not sure of your location. But if you are in western countries, you obviously know the answer.
Testing have two approaches QC and QA. Both will lead you to learn how's the product operated upstream and downstream. If you have the public speaking and writing skills up to par, after the company know you probably they will send you to a course learning to take the state quality control certification, then your future very much will be set. As the rate of offshoring going, these testing jobs are not taken lightly.
Regards,
MCao
[ July 24, 2003: Message edited by: Matt Cao ]
Al Newman
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
The job market stinks right now but it isn't the first time that the IT market has sucked. Us old-timers will remember 1986 when an entry level guy couldn't get a job if he paid the boss. And the early 90's right before the dot com boom wasn't very good either. We recall the last 8 years and think that we have a god-given right to be immune to business cycles. Markets go up and markets go down. The market is slowly recovering. I am seeing some good signs in the marketplace that things are getting better. I think the overseas outsourcing issue is way overblown anyway. Companies have been putting off major IT work because of the economy. Once the economy gets back in gear these companies will have a huge amount of backlogged work that needs to be done. There will be boom times ahead. And there will be down times ahead. It's all part of life's rich pageant.

Well, Tom, you got it all right except for the dates (Memory going, eh?). Happens to all of us old farts, between our stories about coding on 4-bit processors with 1024 bytes of memory....
I graduated in May of 1982 and it took me 15 months to land my first professional job. I pushed a broom for most of that time. It was horrible in 1982, but things started looking up in the middle of 1983. I read Guerilla Tactics on the advice of an HR executive who took pity on the poor clueless kid, and never looked back. I came within 1% of landing a job not more than a month after reading that book, but it actually took me another 6 weeks after that.
The backlogged IT work is what is going to do it for us. The sharper the recession the bigger that backlog is. And the offshorers in India haven't been doing more than a small fraction of it. This has been a bitch of a recession, but I expect the recovery (in IT at least) to be as sharp as the recovery between 1983 and 1987. I doubled my salary twice in that span because of the raging demand for IT workers.
Billy Tsai
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Once again I got officially declined for a job, this is a JUNIOR JAVA DEVELOPER position , I submitted the application showing everything I got. But I dont think quite match it yet as it is a J2EE job.
some details of this job are as follows
The scope of this key role will include designing, testing, measuring, implementing and maintaining the source components that will make up Fonterra`s Enterprise Solutions Framework. You will be contributing to the design, development and maintenance of the SDLC, design library and object library with an emphasis on reusability and flexibility across the Enterprise Solutions Group.
Your degree in a technical discipline and certification in the required tool set and technology will be complemented by broad industry experience in application solution development, object oriented design, SDLC, software architecture (J2EE Application Environments) and development tools and technology. You will also be skilled in maximising design and development efficiencies during system development as well as ensuring standardisation and reusability of code in an application development environment. In addition to the above, your strong interpersonal skills, pride in your work and commitment to delivering quality deliverables will be valued attributes.
I guess I have no choice but to get SCBCD and SCEA
Andres Gonzalez
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Your degree in a technical discipline and certification in the required tool set and technology will be complemented by broad industry experience in application solution development, object oriented design, SDLC, software architecture (J2EE Application Environments) and development tools and technology.
and you're saying this is a JUNIOR JAVA DEVELOPER position ??
I haven't seen many job postings requiring JUNIOR developers for J2EE related stuff. I might be wrong though.


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I agree. Here's the link: http://aspose.com/file-tools
 
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