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Femi Alla
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Greetings everyone,
How does getting a degree in computer science from a college that says
"We offer a concept based education, our program is not centered in programming....
At our University, the undergraduate students have an opportunity to work with faculty members on their research and present papers at conferences. You will be part of an active learning community."
Affect ones abiity to get a job thereafter compared to one which as a "programming based" degree.
I'm supposed to decide this week on which of these two schools to attend for Fall! I really need to hear what you think.
Any useful suggestions are welcome.
Thanks.


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Billy Tsai
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it doesnt matter if its concepts or programming , university=nothing after u graduate, unless u graduated top of ur class maybe u got some good chances
Mark Herschberg
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Peronsally, I would discount Billy's advice as he is currently very depressed about not having a job.
From the employer's direct perspective, I doubt it makes a difference. It comes down to the school's reputation. Brand name does help. Even if it's not a brand name, is it a school the personal will know? If not, then it doesn't matter what the program teaches, because no one ever verifies the curriculum when hiring from an accredited school. (Heck, most don't even veryify you went to that schools, let alone that it's accredited, and certainly not the curriculum.) Some will ask for a transcript, and they'll simply look at courses. Most likely they'll just look at the degree.
The question is then which gives you a better education.
I don't know what "programming based" means. I do know that at MIT, we don't teach courses on software lnaguages (not in the CS dept, anyway)--if that's what you mean by programming. We also emphasize student-faculty interaction in research. Sounds like this one school does both of those. I know Harvey Mudd does the same.
Can you tell us the names of both the schools?
--Mark
Femi Alla
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Bily and Mark,
Thanks so much for the answers and taking interest. The schools are the University of Minnesota, Morris and Minnesota state university, Moorhead.
Mark, do you by any chance know these schools?
University of Minnesota, Morris say they are recognized nationally for the strength of thier liberal arts education. But it'll cost me $23,000 and Moorhead (which is more programming based)would cost me $12,000.00. For me, money is an issue as I'll be financing most of my education with the use of a student loan.
I have days left to resume at both and can't make up my mind. I never knew making up my mind could be this difficult.
Again, thanks.
Femi Alla
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Billy, sorry I mispelt your name.
Mark Herschberg
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Originally posted by Femi Alla:
Bily and Mark,
Thanks so much for the answers and taking interest. The schools are the University of Minnesota, Morris and Minnesota state university, Moorhead.
Mark, do you by any chance know these schools?
University of Minnesota, Morris say they are recognized nationally for the strength of thier liberal arts education. But it'll cost me $23,000 and Moorhead (which is more programming based)would cost me $12,000.00. For me, money is an issue as I'll be financing most of my education with the use of a student loan.

I don't know them, except for U. of Minn (but basically the same way I know of, say, U of AZ--every state has one.) Any idea what their US News and World Report rankings are? Have you talked to the schools themselves? You can certainly email the faculty head and/or administrator of the CS dept, or the admissions office of each school and mention your predicament. They can probably have you talk to someone who can help give you more information.
--Mark
PS "Morris say they are recognized nationally for the strength of thier liberal arts education." What the hell does that mean? Who recognizes them? Was it an objective study or a biased media report. How strong are they? If you're not last, you've got some "strength." Never believe self-proclaimed marketing hype; tat's what unbiased surveys are for.
Femi Alla
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Dear Mark,
Thanks. According to their brochure, US news and world report ranks them among the 100 best liberal arts colleges in the US, they are also one of the top 25 most wired campuses by yahoo internet news. I think they were among the 4 public liberal arts colleges in that US news and world report ranking.
THere is also this report, I can't remember the name right now: Kiplinger's.... or something like that has ranked them among the "est college buys" in the country.
Mark, do you think if they were really that good you should have known them?
If that's the case, then are they worth that amount of money? It's supposed to be $17,000 for University of Minnesota, Morris and $12,000 for Minnesota state university, Moorhead.
I can also tell you that Moorhead state has 7,000 students on campus compared to Morris: 1,900. They say they are selective because they need small class sizes, so getting accepted there is a little bit more difficult.
One of my attractions here is the oppurtunity to research etc. I really would like to know if they are worth the money.
I can't believe I haven't still made up my mind yet..
Thanks..
 
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