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Tina Desai
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Joined: Mar 13, 2003
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Hello Friends!
I need your help! I was wondering what can be the possible things a dependant in UK do.
Taking the current scenario in consideration, how far do I have have chances to get a job being an Indian? I heard, the local people are preferred for jobs now a days?
I can certainly make use of the time for certifications and open source projects. Anyone can suggest any activities I can do to keep in touch with the technology that does some value addition to my knowledge even if I do not get a job? something that will help me get a job once back in India after an year or two?
Thanks and regards,
Tina


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Al Newman
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Legally I believe that a dependent of a work-permit holder is a great deal more free than the permit holder. So you can freely look for work, though there may be some concern on the part of the employer.
I think demand is actually improving, but wages are low right now.
Good luck.


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Tina Desai
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Thanks for the wishes!
I will be moving there in around 5 to 6 months time.
Will the situation improve or worsen? Can I make use of this period to help me get a job there?
I however did not get any response when I mailed my resume from here.
Does anyone have some tips to pass on to keep in touch with the technology in a better way than Im thinking?
Thanks again!
Tina
Ashok Mash
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You can always keep yourself busy by contributing to a project of your interest in SourceForge.net!
I would agree with Alfred there, UK job market has improved slightly, and that rare phenomenon - headhunters - is back again!


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Al Newman
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Originally posted by Tina Desai:
Thanks for the wishes!
I will be moving there in around 5 to 6 months time.
Will the situation improve or worsen? Can I make use of this period to help me get a job there?
I however did not get any response when I mailed my resume from here.
Does anyone have some tips to pass on to keep in touch with the technology in a better way than Im thinking?
Thanks again!
Tina

Tina, I would be astonished if anyone HAD responded to a CV mailed from India! There is no shortage of IT workers on the ground here and immediately available. To most recruiters 5-6 months is the very long term anyway. The furthest in the future they tend to look is 4 to 6 weeks.
I suspect that the situation will slowly improve in the UK although much depends upon the recovery in the US. If the US take off it will draw the UK in it's wake, and the situation could improve more quickly. Whereas between Fall of last year and this spring things were very slow and jobs unavailable, now things are opening up a bit. Wages are quite low. Though if you are over here as a dependent on a work permit that may not matter as much as it does to me.
Tina Desai
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Thanks you both for your help!
Thanks and Regards,
Tina
Tina Desai
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Is there any good site where I can check the job status etc of UK?
Thanks and Regards,
Tina
Al Newman
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The best search site is www.jobserve.com.
Tony Collins
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Alot of English Software Engineers blame India for our reccession. So it could be a battle for you to find work. It's unfair but it seems to be human nature, to blame others.
I heard a stat that 60,000 software engineers where out of work in England, I don't know how true that is but I'm certainly finding it difficult to find work in the capital.
Tony
Al Newman
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Originally posted by Tony Collins:
Alot of English Software Engineers blame India for our reccession. So it could be a battle for you to find work. It's unfair but it seems to be human nature, to blame others.
I heard a stat that 60,000 software engineers where out of work in England, I don't know how true that is but I'm certainly finding it difficult to find work in the capital.
Tony

Tony, I just landed a job in the capital. It was not easy of course, and I had to accept a 30% pay cut from my last job. But my impression is that hiring has begun again....
I wouldn't be surprised if 60,000 SE's were out of work, if you count HTML 'coders', Javascript 'architects', and Dreamweaver jockeys as Software Engineers. One facet of the internet boom is that it drew a lot of people into the profession who normally would have disc jockeys, stockbrokers, salesmen, or estate agents in more normal times. The easy money crowd.
Most of these have now left the profession, leaving a more hard core group of people.
[ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]
SJ Adnams
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You need a british/european passport to work in IT. Otherwise you can apply for an ordinary workpermit & work in a bar (like the aussies do).
Doesn't matter who your parents are, you'll need the passport.
unless someone wants to correct me...
HS Thomas
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You need a british/european passport to work in IT

I think an employer can sponsor a dependent, if they think that the dependent will be worth it.And as long as the spouse has a valid work permit. I have come across cases like this. It was touch and go , though , for the first couple of years until they could apply for full residency. And then they left for more money ! That particular company probably doesn't sponsor dependents anymore.
I don't think that there is a restriction on the type of work a dependent
is allowed to do.
regards
[ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Tina Desai
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Well, if my husband is on a work permit in UK and Im holding a dependent visa, aint that enough? Do I need some more 'processing' or 'sponsorship' for being able to work in IT?
My husband is in Wales. Does that mean less chances of getting IT work around? If Im ok with travelling for the work to Londond, would it be fine for the recruiters? or they have some place constraints?
Thanks and Regards,
Tina
HS Thomas
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There are jobs in Wales. Good jobs. It was just too far for me to travel to from London.
If you are a dependent, an employer will still have to sponsor you, otherwise the employer may get in trouble with the government( who has 60,000 unemployed IT people on their books ). If you are still training , I'd try and get some full training first.
But employers are not particularly rational, so you can always try your luck. I had a recruiter for a big American bank tell me that between months May to Jun this year he was only looking for good-looking women. I am sure they wouldn't be able to get away with that in America but there you go! If you are prepared to be treated like a piece of fluff there are jobs. Even good-looking men didn't have a look in.
I think such employers should be named and shamed publicly on the Web. Well, one job prior, I had just left such an employer ,having got fed up re-writing unscalable SQL for the previous 18 months written by such a dependent .Not to mention nothing remotely resembling OO design( but the latter
was an ill right through the project, one of several ). Re-usability was a dirty word. I can't understand how VB programmers in a Big Banking environment could come up with such non-OO design.
So perhaps I am not the best person to answer your question. But I would try and get some training first.

There's a report in the Newspapers as to how easy it is to get EU documents - �1300 will get an EC passport,a French identity card and driving license and a British National Insurance card - all forged -within 48 hours.
A good-looking illegal immigrant may have a better chance than a kosher dependent. But I imagine fewer would be flocking to Wales.
regards
[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Tina Desai
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oooh. I was not knowing about this sponsorship funda. If u pass the interview, the company will do it or it should be the company's policy to sponsor?
How much money the company has to put in it?
Will I have to do some extra efforts for it?
Tina
HS Thomas
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I think my point was
1: deciding what you want to work with
2: get trained in it
3: apply for jobs
not necessarily in that order.
As far as company sponsorship is concerned , that may have changed.
The government may start squeezing companies to use up the 60,000 IT unemployed.
You get more respect from your colleagues if you follow the rules.
The rules are somewhat set by the company bosses , controlled by employees to some extent. The company described above lost some of their best developers ; too busy playing politics; Or getting ready to clear the board in one fell swoop.
My point was : good training kept up to date will stand you in better stead through the rest of your working life. That and good contacts/ friends at work/ universities.
regards
Preeti Ramesh
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Joined: Jul 24, 2003
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quote:
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Absolutely NOT true.
Tina, I am in the exact same situation as you. I too am on a dependent visa in the UK. When I came to the UK I could not find work for quite a few months because my visa was valid for just 6 mths. However, after it got extended by 4 yrs, I started getting a lot of calls, and am currently doing some contract work.
Almost NO employer would be willing to sponsor a work permit. However, it is legal for a dependent to work - many ppl dont know that, so in your resume / covering letter, do mention that you are permitted to work in the UK til xxx <-- date till your visa is valid. In my experience, it should be easier to get contract work. Salaries are as per UK standards - no more, no less.
If you are in London, chances of getting a job are higher coz the number of s/w companies are a lot more. Which city are you going to be in - maybe I could help you out if you will be close by?
I would advise you to start a job search only when you land here... no sense sending a CV from india, wont be considered...
It might take a few months to get a job, so dont lose hope And definitely use your time to give some certifications - always helps.
Best of luck
Al Newman
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Almost NO employer would be willing to sponsor a work permit. However, it is legal for a dependent to work - many ppl dont know that, so in your resume / covering letter, do mention that you are permitted to work in the UK til xxx

This is what I recall reading, that dependents don't need a seperate work permit in the UK. They do need a stamp in their passport chowing that they are a dependent of a legal resident.
Preeti, did you work for Bell Atlantic in Silver Spring, Maryland in the period 1996-1998 perchance? I worked closely with someone named like you.
Tina Desai
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Hi Preeti!
I would be going to Wales, Cardiff city. Are you any closer?
Is it ok if I send u a personal message, preeti?
Well, training and connecting to frends and colleagues is a sure
must. You are right Thomas. I just wanted to put my thoughts in front
of the ranchers and have the opinion of you all. My exp is that it helps
a lot. Like I did not know about the open source projects and a few months
before a rancher only told me about it.
Thanks and Regards,
Tina
Preeti Ramesh
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Joined: Jul 24, 2003
Posts: 18
Hi Tina,
I am not in Wales, but am very close to the South -West coast of UK. My UK geography is close to pathetic, so I'll leave it to you to figure out how close you will be! You can definitely contact me - ramesh_preeti@hotmail.com
I would love to help you out in any way.. i remember how it was when I landed here - dont get me wrong, the people here are lovely and very polite, but still is difficult being displaced from your home..
Hiya alfred. No I haven't worked for Bell Atlantic at any point... Preeti is (unfortunately) a fairly common Indian name
cheers! preeti
 
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