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California vs. (KY, IL, MI, DC, VA, KS, MO)

Derek Grey
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Hello Ranchers,
I need your advice....badly.
I have tried to find a job living in Texas for the past 18 months with no luck. So I have decided to move. I know the economy is bad and that Texas is a great place to be but I feel that I might be better off moving out.
I have a friend who lives in SanJose, CA and another one who lives in Louisville, KY. Both have invited me to come over and try to hunt down a job staying with them.
Though SanJose,CA is a great place to find Software jobs (ok..at least it was the last time I checked) I am not sure if I should move there. It seems totally far away from everything else. I mean apart from Oregon there isn't much scope of one night driving down for interviews or meeting with recruiters.
Louisville, KY on the other hand looks like a place more popular for mining jobs but then again it's within driving range to cities like Chicago, Detroit, Richmond, Columbus, Cincinati and many more.
From the viewpoint of finding jobs, please advice me on which way to go.
Al Newman
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San Jose is swamped with unemployed programmers right now. Louseville? I haven't the slightest idea. Kentucky is in the middle of a bunch of places with pretty decent lifestyles, you might do alright there.
Why not try both of them?


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Chad McGowan
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I moved from Louisville 2 years ago because the Java job market was dead. I don't see any signs that it has improved since then (although it was a great place to live).
I do know that there is some hiring in Cincinnati and Dayton, especially if you are Sr level, but that is a pretty long commute from Louisville.
Derek Grey
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Originally posted by Chad McGowan:
I moved from Louisville 2 years ago because the Java job market was dead. I don't see any signs that it has improved since then (although it was a great place to live).
I do know that there is some hiring in Cincinnati and Dayton, especially if you are Sr level, but that is a pretty long commute from Louisville.

Chad,
Thanks for your input. Though I'd like to I don't think I can have the privilege of choosing my programming language. So I am open to anything including Tech. Support. Would you by any chance happen to know the job market on other than Java Tech.'s in Louisville???..Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Even if I get it in Cincinnati/Dayton/Anywhere close to Louisville I would move to that place than commute.
Alfred,
Thanks for your input too. I plan to try out on both places if I can't find it in the first place. But it would make my life easier to get it on the first shot/place so I posted for advice.
Jonathan Hendry
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Joined: Aug 16, 2003
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Another area to consider would be the Philadelphia area. New York City is 2 hours north, Washington DC is about 2-3 hours south, Boston is about 6 hours north. Pittsburgh is within a day's drive west. Delaware is immediately to the south.
Chad McGowan
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If you are open to anything, I wouldn't think you will have much trouble finding a job in any of these cities. Check Monster and HotJobs to see what types of technical jobs are available. Although not all of the postings are legit, it is usually a good indicator.
Al Newman
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Oops, I didn't mean to call Louisville "Louseville". I like Kentucky and would not intentionally cast a slur. It was late (in London) when I posted that one.
Chad McGowan
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As an avid University of Kentucky basketball fan, I prefer the term 'Loserville'.
Nathan Thurm
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Dont' move to Kansas City, MO. Sprint (main employer here) has laid off 17,000 people over the past several years and is set to cut many more with a new outsourcing contract to IBM and who knows where overseas that work will go.
Our new home page for Sprint is practically www.laidoffcentral.com, click on the Rumors button and see what we're dealing with here.
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
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Hi San,
If you are still in 20ish, join the US Arm Forces, as the current market goes it does not matter where is the location. When you are done with your tour of duty, you can go wherever you wanted too or go back home now.
Regards,
MCao
Al Newman
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Originally posted by Nathan Thurm:
Dont' move to Kansas City, MO. Sprint (main employer here) has laid off 17,000 people over the past several years and is set to cut many more with a new outsourcing contract to IBM and who knows where overseas that work will go.
Our new home page for Sprint is practically www.laidoffcentral.com, click on the Rumors button and see what we're dealing with here.

So good old Srpint is still treating their people like crap. It's a shame, because KC is a damn nice city to live in. I got out of there 12 years ago because of Sprint....
Nathan Thurm
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So good old Srpint is still treating their people like crap. It's a shame, because KC is a damn nice city to live in. I got out of there 12 years ago because of Sprint....

I think you mentioned this on another thread and I never got back to you on that, I think you said you worked/lived near the plaza. Must have been nice to live down there.
Yeah, KC is a great city to live (worst thing about it in my opinion is the hot, humid summers) but besides that it's just a great place to start and raise a family, I live in Olathe and work on Overland Park at the campus now. The campus really is a fabulous place to work you'll have to check it out if you ever get back here.
The Sprint layoffs have been ongoing and pretty pervasive. From what I've heard and seen though (knock on wood), they've been reasonably fair about how they've laid off people giving advanced, general notice to the workforce of the layoffs so people have time to move. However, I have heard quite a few stories of people being given the pink slip then escorted out of the building without much chance if any to get their things together. They have been good about transitioning people around the company where there is more work (I've been the beneficiary of that myself).
Remains to be seen how much the outsourcing will affect things though..
Jim Baiter
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I wouldn't waste my time with Silicon Valley. You're going to be competing with hoards of programmers who have very visible experience at those well-known firms in that area. I have heard that Austin was picking up again though - not really sure if this is true or not.
 
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