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Why you need a template for such thing? Is that a requirement in India? The CV is nothing more than an introduction of yourself, what you have done, and how you find out about the position. Regards, MCao
Why you need a template for such thing? Is that a requirement in India? The CV is nothing more than an introduction of yourself, what you have done, and how you find out about the position.
A CV (Curriculum Vitae) is, to the best of my knowledge, a variation of a resume, and not what Matt described above. In the US, CV's are more commonly used by academics and other professionals who backgrounds include more than just work, e.g. publications, talks, awards, research. CVs are more common in Europe than in the US, by that may just be an issue of terminology, what is a resume in the US is a CV in Europe (maybe someone can shed more light on this). There is no standard CV template, just as there is no standard resume template. However, some basic interne searches can undoubtedly turn up some samples. There are also plenty of books on resume writing which likely cover CV's as well. If you are a colleg graduate, contact the career office, and they can also provide you with templates. --Mark
what is a resume in the US is a CV in Europe (maybe someone can shed more light on this). In general, this is true. Some of us who exist mainly in the twilight borderless world of the internet telecommuter have taken to using both terms on the same document, though. In the UK at least, CV (Curriulum Vitae) is the term used for any sort of summary of personal history and/or accomplishments, equivalent to the US resum�. I have noticed differences in style between US-originated and UK-originated ones, though. For example it seems fairly common on US Resum�s to start with some sort of statement of personal goals, but this is very rare on a UK CV, and thus unexpected at interview.
Originally posted by Frank Carver: For example it seems fairly common on US Resum�s to start with some sort of statement of personal goals, but this is very rare on a UK CV, and thus unexpected at interview.
I believe this didn't used to be the case. In the old days (meaning 80's and prior), I don't think it was very common. College students and recent graduates are advised to do so. The good recruiters I know say not to bother. After you've got 4+ years of work experience, it should be obvious what you are trying to do. I suspect the fact that in the old days 4+ years was "your first job" whereas now it's your first 3-5 jobs is part of the reason it's stuck around--people are just used to keeping it on. Personally, I think it's 98% useless. Do you know how many resumes I read which say "a challenging position using my software engineering skills?" That doesn't tell me a damn thing. The fact that the applicant is applying for a softare job already tells me that. Thinking about it more, I suspect technology has made it obsolete. In the old days (as above) you typed us a resume and photocopied it onto good stock paper. You couldn't write up 3 different resumes.* Now you can custom fit your objective to each job in a matter of seconds. Personally, I think it's time to do away with an objective. --Mark
*Many MIT students, for example, have resumes with a different objective for each of financial, consulting, and software jobs.
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Hi Paresh, Sorry, I translated CV into Cover Page... totally different thing. Hi Mark, I would stick with objective statement if you intend to apply for a different field or different career. In another word, new comer tries to apply for the position. I would drop the objective statement if the position is within my field. It is a conservative approach. Regards, MCao
There is a CV template created by the European Union, for those wishing to work there. I don't recall where to get it from, just that it looks quite standard: Education, work history, interests e.t.c. Richard
Mark, Say for example, Mr.X sends a CV that is tailered as J2EE developer for a J2EE developer post in ABC,Inc His CV is saved into company database. But he did not get an inteview atleast. OK he forget it. He is still jobless. But he has 3 yrs exp as Weblogic J2EE developer. A few months later Mr.X apply with a new CV focusing as Weblogic server admin in the same ABC, Inc. (He is good at weblogic admin also) Now, the HR of ABC,Inc finds the 2 CVs with different focus from the same person with different skill set focus, what would happen.. HR see this guy as .. ...... chameleon or .... 'clueless' as he has no clear vision for future or ..... may not be good in both skill major, neither a J2EE dev nor Weblogic admin ...... expert in both ..any other ?? Ajeet Paris, France [ December 08, 2003: Message edited by: Ajeet Jose ]
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A good question. I don't know how they perceive it in general, however it's a timely question because: 1) I see lots of this type of thing as I hire people. 2) I just submitted a resume last night for a project management position at a company where they got my resume 2 years ago for a more hands on position. I'll tell you what I've seen and how I perceive it. We are currently hiring developers and a sys admin. Some people send me one resume for two positions. My general feeling is that, while some people can do both (including a friend of mine), most aren't as good at either one as someone who is dedicated. It just seems strange to get the same resume for two positions. Assume everyone at the company sees every resume and cover letter your send. For the record, this doesn't mean people who do a split, aren't good or useful. Some companies want people who can do dual roles. There have been cases where the way the roles are split it's not clear to me which position I'm better suited for, especially if there's a senior and non-senior role. I recommend calling to company and talking to HR. They will remember your outstanding interest in trying to understand the position and will likely remember your name--it gets your resume a look at least. Barring that, send one resume and note both positions and your confusion in the cover letter. In the worst case submit two resumes and cover letters, but at least note that you're applying for multiple roles.
Now I recently had a resume for a sys admin, but they guy looked like a developer. His recruiter forwarded an email about all the sys admin stuff he had done which wasn't on his resume. In truth, I think it does look a bit suspect, so try to submit a tailored resume when possible and only one. --Mark
Hi Ajeet, It is depended on company policy. Some will tell you when they rejected your first try and instruct you to upgrade then send again whenever you ready. I also think it depended on the region too for political reasons. Regards, MCao
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Originally posted by Alfred Neumann: Looking for another job already, Mark?
When I met iwth my current employer, they didn't know what they needed, they just knew tings weren't working out for them and they needed help. It's hard to say, "I know you don't really understand what I would do, but you know you're in a trouble, so hire me and pay me lots of money." Instead, I said, "Hire me for 3 months, I'll get things in order, put your products on track, and help you with new hires. After 3 months you can keep me on, decide you don't need such a manager, or if you decide you do need one, but don't like me, I'll help hire my replacement." So far they seem to like me and have indicated they would like me to stay. Of course, they've also been known to change their minds every two weeks. Even if it's clear that they want me to stay, we had a mutual understanding to re-evaluate after 3 months; you can't be quite certain I plan to weigh all my options then, so now is the time to find more options. --Mark