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Possible Category and New Forum Changes

Gregg Bolinger
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We've been tossing around a few ideas about moving some of the existing forums into new/different categories as well as adding some new forums. We'd like to know what everyone else thinks about these ideas.

Application Frameworks
  • Struts
  • JSF
  • Spring
  • Tapestry
  • Wicket
  • WebWork


  • Web Development
  • Servlets
  • JSP
  • EJB, etc
  • HTML/Javascript
  • Web Development in General


  • Of course, we could also combine those 2 categories under 1 for all those forums. Only thing about that is Spring wouldn't fit since it is not just for web development. So what do you think?


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    Bear Bibeault
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    I would not combine the categories.

    And I'm not so sure about the "Web Development in General" forum. It might just confuse posters further about whether to put a question in Servlets, JSP or HTML. (And each of those gets enough traffic to eschew any idea of combining them all into one big Web Development forum).

    I very much like the idea of a Web Development category bringing the HTML forum out of Engineering and into a category with the other Web Dev forums.


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    Rick Beaver
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    Ben Souther
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    Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
    I would not combine the categories.

    And I'm not so sure about the "Web Development in General" forum. It might just confuse posters further about whether to put a question in Servlets, JSP or HTML. (And each of those gets enough traffic to eschew any idea of combining them all into one big Web Development forum).


    A lot of questions span several of the web dev topics (MVC, AJAX, etc)
    What about adding it to the top of the category (instead of replacing the others with it)?
    Maybe with the description "Unsure about which web forum to post to?.. " or "For questions that span web development cateogries"
    Then, instead of assigning separate bartenders, give the bartenders from JSP, HTML, Servlets, the ability to move threads from there.


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    Vishnu Prakash
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    Application Frameworks


    I think few of other frameworks are missing here.

    1. Shale
    2. Stripes
    3. Ruby on Rails


    Of course, we could also combine those 2 categories under 1 for all those forums.


    Rick Beaver++


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    Ilja Preuss
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    Originally posted by Ben Souther:
    A lot of questions span several of the web dev topics (MVC, AJAX, etc)


    And "xxx vs. yyy" questions.


    What about adding it to the top of the category


    I think the "in general" forum should be the last resort, and therefore be located at the bottom - just as the JiG forums are.


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    Ilja Preuss
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    Originally posted by Vishnu Prakash:

    1. Shale
    2. Stripes
    3. Ruby on Rails


    I've never heard of the first two, so I'd wonder whether they would generate enough traffic.

    Regarding Rails, I think it should be a "Java Web Development" category, and therefore Ruby wouldn't fit.

    We *could* open an additional "other languages" category, though. A C#/.NET forum might also be possible.
    Vishnu Prakash
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    I've never heard of the first two, so I'd wonder whether they would generate enough traffic.


    Most of these are open source projects, so who knows these may lead the framework world one day. Until then they can be categorized as "Other Frameworks".


    Regarding Rails, I think it should be a "Java Web Development" category, and therefore Ruby wouldn't fit.


    Excerpt from Javaranch Journal

    Ruby on Rails in the Enterprise Toolbox by LasseKoskela

    Rails in a few words
    Ruby on Rails is first and foremost a web framework and the brainchild of David Heinemeier Hansson.

    I found this interesting article which will be helpful for those who are looking forward to start with frameworks.
    [ January 20, 2006: Message edited by: Vishnu Prakash ]
    Ilja Preuss
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    Originally posted by Vishnu Prakash:
    Ruby on Rails is first and foremost a web framework and the brainchild of David Heinemeier Hansson.


    Yes. Still, it's not a *Java* framework, and we still have Java in our name...
    Gregg Bolinger
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    As far as Shale is concerned, the Struts forum might eventually become Struts/Shale. I haven't seen a single Shale question as of yet except for things like "What is it?" and "Will it be good?", etc. As was said, we'll probably wait to see more traffic on it.

    As the RonR, I'm with Ilja. It's not Java, so doesn't belong in the same category as Java frameworks. However, it wouldn't be a bad idea to give it a forum somewhere, especially since Lasse wrote about it and EFH seems to think quite a bit of it. Must have some merit.
    Kishore Dandu
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    bear++ here.


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    Gregg Bolinger
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    We are assuming the silence to mean either everyone is in agreement or no one really cares, therefore, we are going to start making some of these changes this weekend.

    If you don't see your regular forum in the same place, rest assured it's here, just moved. So you might need to scroll for once if you are used to visiting Servlet/JSP/JSF at the top of the page.
    Ramasubbhu Allur Kuppusamy
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    Hi Gregg,
    Under Professional Certification, it would really make sense to start a seperate forum for UML (IBM/OMG) Certification. We miss it badly. There are considerable number of ranchers who are already certified, many others aspiring to get certified. As of now, the discussion related to this is all over the place. Certified Ranchers would be of immense help to aspirants like us, if the discussion related to this can be converged to a designated forum. Please do not mete out gross injustice to UML .
    A designated forum for UML Certification would certainly generate good traffic. Thanks for welcoming our suggestions.
    Note to Fellow-Ranchers :
    Come on, raise your voice for UML Certification.
    [ February 09, 2006: Message edited by: Ramasubbhu Allur Kuppusamy ]

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    Manoj Kumkumath
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    One suggestion

    The tesing topic now covers a lot of subbitems like Unit testing, integration testing, system testing, test first programming, JUnit, JTest, WinRunner, QA, etc. I think TFD, Junit, unit testing etc should be separated from other topics. This topics has grown in industry to achieve a status of it's own.
    Ernest Friedman-Hill
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    Originally posted by Ramasubbhu Allur Kuppusamy:
    Hi Gregg,
    Under Professional Certification, it would really make sense to start a seperate forum for UML (IBM/OMG) Certification.


    We generally start new forums when we see a lot of posts about a topic that don't fit anywhere else. Can you link to a few posts here and show us that there's some UML certification traffic?


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    Ilja Preuss
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    Originally posted by Manoj Kumkumath:
    One suggestion

    The tesing topic now covers a lot of subbitems like Unit testing, integration testing, system testing, test first programming, JUnit, JTest, WinRunner, QA, etc. I think TFD, Junit, unit testing etc should be separated from other topics. This topics has grown in industry to achieve a status of it's own.


    There is not nearly enough traffic in that forum to require a split, in my opinion.
    Manoj Kumkumath
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    Ramasubbhu Allur Kuppusamy
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    Originally posted by Ernest Friedman Hill :
    We generally start new forums when we see a lot of posts about a topic that don't fit anywhere else. Can you link to a few posts here and show us that there's some UML certification traffic?


    Hi Ernest,
    Here are some of my previous posts that have direct/indirect reference/relevance to IBM's Test # 486 : Object Oriented Analysis and Design with UML.

    http://www.coderanch.com/t/94380/books/Hi-Dave-you-planning-teach

    http://www.coderanch.com/t/130606/Agile/Which-Agile-model-best

    http://www.coderanch.com/t/145386/po/certification/IBM-or-OCUP

    http://www.coderanch.com/t/130607/Agile/CMMi-PCMM-CMM-Which-good

    http://www.coderanch.com/t/147601/po/certification/Group-study-XML-test-Chennai

    I am sure I have come across some other posts on this topic which inspired me to take this exam. Since then I have spent a lot of money, time and effort on this.
    Without a doubt, there are considerable number of ranchers who have been certified, who will be of immense help.
    Starting a designated forum is a worthy experiment, in my book.
    Thanks for responding to my suggestion.
    Ajith Kallambella
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    I'd like to add a category for OR mapping - Hibernate, IBatis, OJB etc.


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    Ajith Kallambella
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    ... and another for methodologies - Agile, Scrum etc.
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    Originally posted by Ajith Kallambella:
    I'd like to add a category for OR mapping - Hibernate, IBatis, OJB etc.


    We've got one forum devoted to that topic; it had 5 active threads yesterday, and there are three today. I think one forum is plenty!
    Ernest Friedman-Hill
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    Originally posted by Ajith Kallambella:
    ... and another for methodologies - Agile, Scrum etc.


    And our existing Process forum has one active thread today, one yesterday, and one the day before. These proposed new forums would be quiet indeed!

    Our process is to create forums when traffic warrants it, not create forums and wait for people to come. There is an existing forum for UML and design questions; I'd encourage you to try to get people to talk about that exam there. Tell your friends and co workers. When there's enough traffic on the topic for it to warrant its own forum, we will create one.
    Mark Spritzler
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    Originally posted by Ajith Kallambella:
    ... and another for methodologies - Agile, Scrum etc.


    Actually, I tend to find more posts in the UML forum for Agile. We had a nice fun discussion there just recently.

    Mark


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    Ilja Preuss
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    Originally posted by Ajith Kallambella:
    ... and another for methodologies - Agile, Scrum etc.


    That would be one forum anyway, because Scrum *is* an Agile process...
    Niki Nono
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    How about a seperate forum for AJAX?
    As you might be noticing most of the questions in the Html/javascript forum are AJAX questions.
    I have a feeling that AJAX is going to be one of the most discussed and explored technologies.
    So why not a seperate forum for AJAX?


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    Ulf Dittmer
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    This week there are many AJAX questions because we have a book promotion, and many questions are asked of the author. Before, there weren't enough AJAX questions to justify a separate forum; if and when there are, we may split off that topic into its own forum.


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    David O'Meara
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    I have been considering something Ajax related recently as well. Maybe even a "Web 2.0" style forum, with Ajax, Flex and Laszlo, to name a few.
    Eric Pascarello
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    don't mention Web 2.0!!! AHHHHH!

    There is no need for a seperate forum for Ajax. With Ajax it really is a server side question or a javascript question. I would have a feeling that it would be a bigger mess.

    When there is not a promotion there are like 4 questions a week on Ajax. Not a big demand in my eyes.

    Eric
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    Yeah, that's why I said "2.0 style", it's not a term I'm fond of.
     
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