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Tim Baker
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There are two main discussion points to this topic.
1. Would you consider taking a job based in microsoft technologies? I love java as much as most people around here do, but I'm looking at job listings and over half the jobs I see are microsoft based. Some of you may know I am not having much luck at the moment, should I apply for just as many microsoft based jobs as I do java based ones? and would/do you?
2. Do people think having microsoft based experience might be a hurdle to getting a job with java? At the moment I only have commercial experience with visual basic, as this is what I did on my work placement year (I would of liked Java then too but after being screwed by CERN I didn't have time to be picky ). I've put on my CV that I have a good knowledge of Java, as this is what we did all through university and is my favourite language. I know that I have a negative attitude towards microsoft technologies, but do you think those recruiting for java positions will share that and not look kindly on my experience. Would taking a microsoft based job give me even more problems, ie not being able to switch to a java job very easily?
Just looking for general opinions please, go easy on the lectures
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Sam Kebab
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1. I would love to work on a .NET project. (i will not accept a vb6 project though). XML-Web Services on .NET in my opinion is a trillion times easier to learn than the java camp variety.
2. Java and C# is like american English and australian English. Java and VB.net is like English and French. Java and VB6 and below is like English and Japanese.
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Dmitry Melnik
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1. I would. But I do not "love" Java, for me it's just another language (and quite a few related APIs/technologies) to learn and work with. I would also get MCP certification in .NET (for the beginning), 'cause IMHO it gives a .NET developer a bit more opportuninies than SCJP to a Java developer, it's easier to get, and it costs as a little less
2. Some people (including myself) do think so. You'll certainly run into people who suffer of "holy war" disorder of various degrees. Avoid them being your bosses (or/and people who influence them), 'cause you don't want to hear often anything like: "This guy hung too much around the Gates of Hell to be given a real project. Let's keep him on shit-work for another year..." And don't be one
Tim Baker
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only two opinions I was hoping for a bit more to help in my job seeking
Paul McKenna
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Tim, where are you?


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Tim Baker
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Originally posted by Tim Baker:
There are two main discussion points to this topic.
1. Would you consider taking a job based in microsoft technologies? I love java as much as most people around here do, but I'm looking at job listings and over half the jobs I see are microsoft based. Some of you may know I am not having much luck at the moment, should I apply for just as many microsoft based jobs as I do java based ones? and would/do you?
2. Do people think having microsoft based experience might be a hurdle to getting a job with java? At the moment I only have commercial experience with visual basic, as this is what I did on my work placement year (I would of liked Java then too but after being screwed by CERN I didn't have time to be picky ). I've put on my CV that I have a good knowledge of Java, as this is what we did all through university and is my favourite language. I know that I have a negative attitude towards microsoft technologies, but do you think those recruiting for java positions will share that and not look kindly on my experience. Would taking a microsoft based job give me even more problems, ie not being able to switch to a java job very easily?
Just looking for general opinions please, go easy on the lectures

Tim, what you are talking about is compromise with evil. In my view and that of all right-thinking people Bill Gates belongs in Camp X-Ray with the other criminals and is a worse force for evil in the modern world than Osama Bin Laden!
Thomas Paul
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1) I worked with .NET for a year. C# and Java are very close so if you know Java then C# should be a breeze.
2) VB6 isn't a true OO language so that could be a drawback. No one complained about my C# experience when I went looking for a Java job.


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