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Excellent resource on Outsourcing and India

Ashok Mash
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An excellent source regarding IT culture in India, work, life, and most importantly, what�s driving the outsourcing. This is a Slashdot compilation of interviews with Indian techies (of LUG) in India and elsewhere, and IMHO, may answer a number of questions that comes up here over and again! Here is the article - No subscription required.
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JiaPei Jen
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I agree. It is worth reading to have a better understanding of what is really going on.
Matt Cao
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Hi,
I do not think Philippine is the next target even thought, 80% Filippino do speak English and poor. Philippine is an unstable country. Her educational system do not produce many intellectual class member.
I bet on China and the left over will spill to Vietnam. My sources over there have been telling me about Korean, French, Japanese, British, and American companies besides Taiwanese companies are training those Vietnamese people. On their own, they will not make it like Chinese. They also show me the pictures of Mercedes-Benz as taxi cabs and buses in that country. The funny thing, those French over there do speak English like Canadian. Fortune magazine also confirms with my forecast.
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MCao
Joy Jade
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Hi,
I do not think Philippine is the next target even thought, 80% Filippino do speak English and poor. Philippine is an unstable country. Her educational system do not produce many intellectual class member."

You seem to have a very wrong impression of the Philippines. Where did you get the idea that her educational system do not produce many intellectual class member?
Indeed India's fear is real because Filipinos are very competitive and intelligent. Actually, they are parallel with India already when it comes to outsourcing.
Philippines is not an unstable country. The political scene there doesn't really affect business deals with multinational companies.
[ February 18, 2004: Message edited by: Justine Jade ]
Matt Cao
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Hi,
Sorry, my mistake I should have said: "Forbes Magazine confirms my forecast." instead of Fortune Magazine.
The author of the link has written the article 6 months after my predictions.
http://www.forbes.com/2004/02/16/cx_al_0216mondaymatchup.html?partner=cmp

Regards,
MCao
Joy Jade
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Hi,
I do not think Philippine is the next target even thought, 80% Filippino do speak English and poor. Philippine is an unstable country. Her educational system do not produce many intellectual class member."


Have you tried working, studying, and living in Philippines long enough to arrive at this conclusion? Well, I did, that's why I said you have a wrong impression
[ February 18, 2004: Message edited by: Justine Jade ]
Joy Jade
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No replies? I guess you didn't, huh?
allison craig
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This article says otherwise. I'm surprise to learn Ireland and Israel are also good resource on outsourcing.
Matt Cao
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Originally posted by Justine Jade:
No replies? I guess you didn't, huh?

Hi,
Never been there, people I deal with usually want something from me. Probably, it affects my judgement. I guess you're right but why on earth they keep come to US and even Taiwan looking for jobs. Why their fellow countrymen not create a liveable environment for the people to live?
Regards,
MCao
Matt Cao
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Originally posted by allison craig:
This article says otherwise. I'm surprise to learn Ireland and Israel are also good resource on outsourcing.

Hi,
In able to outsourcing works the insourcing country first must establish as stable country. Everything else are operation issues will adjust in time.
Regards,
MCao
[ February 18, 2004: Message edited by: Matt Cao ]
Joy Jade
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:

Hi,
Never been there, people I deal with usually want something from me. Probably, it affects my judgement. I guess you're right but why on earth they keep come to US and even Taiwan looking for jobs. Why their fellow countrymen not create a liveable environment for the people to live?
Regards,
MCao

It's not only filipinos who come to US or Taiwan looking for jobs for a much higher salary. People from different countries also do that. Filipinos are intelligent enough to compete globally.
Who ever told you that Philippines is not a liveable environment? If that's the case, then many already died in Philippines, lol.
[ February 18, 2004: Message edited by: Justine Jade ]
Matt Cao
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OPPS!!
Ashok Mash
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Personally, I wouldn�t too worried about India losing out to other countries, as long as they have something to offer that India doesn�t have. Well, except China in next decade, no other country can produce just enough cheap knowledge workers as India can. IMHO, Indian software giants can undercut their current contract rates by a good percent, because they will find qualified software engineers at much cheaper rates.
However, coming back to the original topic, ( ), I just want to repeat this � please do read that article, if you are or someone you know is involved, affected, worried or interested about �outsourcing to India�. Also if you are, like Korol, who posted here the other day, interested in knowing the how things are in the far side of the world, that link is worth reading!
Thanks!
Arjun Shastry
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Indian software giants can undercut their current contract rates by a good percent, because they will find qualified software engineers at much cheaper rates.
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Yep,People in nonIT areas in India are praying for that to happen! .IT companies in India can reduce employee's salary to even 50% to sustain in market.and with no domestic IT market,there won't be no other option but to accept that reduced salary.Cost of infrastructure is not as cheap as many people think.
[ February 19, 2004: Message edited by: Capablanca Kepler ]

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