File APIs for Java Developers
Manipulate DOC, XLS, PPT, PDF and many others from your application.
http://aspose.com/file-tools
The moose likes Jobs Discussion and the fly likes Please advice - need advice about 2 job offers Big Moose Saloon
  Search | Java FAQ | Recent Topics | Flagged Topics | Hot Topics | Zero Replies
Register / Login
JavaRanch » Java Forums » Careers » Jobs Discussion
Bookmark "Please advice - need advice about 2 job offers" Watch "Please advice - need advice about 2 job offers" New topic
Author

Please advice - need advice about 2 job offers

Aarti Shah
Greenhorn

Joined: Feb 23, 2004
Posts: 1
Hello,
I have not posted here before though have been a JavaRanch vistor for quite some time now. I would like to get some advice on a couple of different job offers that I am looking at.
I have experience in both C++ and Java. One of the offers is from a large, stable company that specializes in instrumentation software. This company is very respected and is a leader in their field. The work will be C++ based working on their product team. The other offer is from a state govt agency and involves Java, JSPs, WebLogic etc. I am having trouble deciding which one to go for. I have always worked in private sector and have no experience in working at a govt agency. However at this stage of my life (I am married and have a toddler), I am looking for a less demanding job and hence I am attracted to the state govt job. But does working for govt agencies reduce your chances of returning back to private sector or harm your career in other ways ? Also any advice regarding the choice of technologies - C++ (at the large co) vs Java (at state agency) ? I would really appreciate any advice that I could get from all of you folks !
Thanks,
Aarti
Eleison Zeitgeist
Ranch Hand

Joined: Dec 17, 2002
Posts: 115
Originally posted by Aarti Shah:
Hello,
I have not posted here before though have been a JavaRanch vistor for quite some time now. I would like to get some advice on a couple of different job offers that I am looking at.
I have experience in both C++ and Java. One of the offers is from a large, stable company that specializes in instrumentation software. This company is very respected and is a leader in their field. The work will be C++ based working on their product team. The other offer is from a state govt agency and involves Java, JSPs, WebLogic etc. I am having trouble deciding which one to go for. I have always worked in private sector and have no experience in working at a govt agency. However at this stage of my life (I am married and have a toddler), I am looking for a less demanding job and hence I am attracted to the state govt job. But does working for govt agencies reduce your chances of returning back to private sector or harm your career in other ways ? Also any advice regarding the choice of technologies - C++ (at the large co) vs Java (at state agency) ? I would really appreciate any advice that I could get from all of you folks !
Thanks,
Aarti

state agency: more marketable technology - java; more stable; less stress; later on, can move to private side if you want to (@your own leisure); people are slowly moving away from c++ (IMHO, not worth the time to be C++ master)...
A C Toyota
Greenhorn

Joined: Feb 16, 2004
Posts: 11
Aarti,
Some other points to consider.
State Job
===========
Lots of Politics.
No recognition for the work you do.
Most people avoid work since firing / layoffs are difficult if not impossible.
Since you are the newbie, whether full time or contract, you will get dumped with work, yet, no recognition.
Java - Although this is a good technology to be in.
Industry
=============
Less politics
More Work
More recognition for the work.
Salary / Bonus much better.
C++ - Still strong, Java a little more popular in IT.
----
george franciscus
Greenhorn

Joined: Nov 26, 2003
Posts: 28
State Job
===========
Lots of Politics.
--> You too try to play
No recognition for the work you do.
--> If you satisfied with your work, no need of recognition automatically recog. will come inway if u do best work.
Most people avoid work since firing / layoffs are difficult if not impossible.
--> You can try to work hard. Why do u consider others
Since you are the newbie, whether full time or contract, you will get dumped with work, yet, no recognition.
--> recognition will come on its way if u do best.
Java - Although this is a good technology to be in.
--> I too think Java is good to be in.
Industry
=============
Less politics
--> Good. But no fun..
More Work
--> Of course pay also more.
More recognition for the work.
--> same as above..
Salary / Bonus much better.
--> May be..
C++ - Still strong, Java a little more popular in IT.
--> C++ also good to be in.
I think state job is better. At last its all depends on you how you will work. If you worried about recognition work hard and show good results the recognition will come on its way. You can also update and do some research in leasure to learn upto market needs..
Matt Cao
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi,
Government job is adopted the merit system whereas private sector is not. The merit system is bureaucrat ladden, the process moves very slow as if nothing moving. But it is only effective for a gigantic size operation. If you are an out-going individual, this kind of environment definitely will not fit you. But I have seen many out-going people turn into zombies and loving it. The private sector also have bureaucrat layers specially multinational organizations. But it is not slow as government sector because everyone working for money and the person holds the green back is very visible comparing to just another taxpayer.
I think it is depended where you're at and what position you are likely belonging in. If your work will end-up in operation, new leader elected all of the previous government henchmen will be replaced in favor of the new government. If you are fast and well connected, you will transfer to another departments. But if you are so use to typing with one hand and the other picking booger, you will out the street. Don't just think you are computing analyst or any fancy name they provided to you, your job will be safe forever.
My advice is ask, ask a lot of questions such as:
1. Your future department will belong to whom and is there any elected official appointee involving in the process of decision making?
2. Are you qualify to apply for the government employee union?
3. What type of union policy currently practice?
4. Is there any charter for government employee specially for your type of work?
5. What is the length of merit system period?
6. Is there any assistance for carpooling?
7. Is there any assistance for advanced education?
There are more... but I only can remember that much at this time. My point is if you get paid for less, there is must be another way to compensate for monetary value.
Regards,
MCao
Tim Holloway
Saloon Keeper

Joined: Jun 25, 2001
Posts: 15641
    
  15

I know a guy in Phoenix who'd like whichever job you don't take.


Customer surveys are for companies who didn't pay proper attention to begin with.
Kishore Dandu
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jul 10, 2001
Posts: 1934
Depending on where your work, if this is in US, it is getting to a stage some companies are treating freshers like crap.
So think about it before going for the industry. If the company is in a field where competitors are feeling the pain(like layoffs etc), the stable company starts not caring about the present employees.
So, I would consider the technologies that can be marketable in the future and I am interested in compared to whether it is private or government.
Dan.


Kishore
SCJP, blog
 
I agree. Here's the link: http://aspose.com/file-tools
 
subject: Please advice - need advice about 2 job offers
 
Similar Threads
Seeking Career Advice
Looking for j2ee job in manchester area ,uk having 2 yr of exp
Job Search
Weblogic or websphere job?
self-taught, can I get a job?