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Murali Mohan
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Hi,
Is there any one from IBM Bangalore? If there, How are projects, work environment and onsite chances??? Pls let me know.
Regards,
Murali
Arjun Shastry
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First tell us about yourself? For which position have you been given offer?


MH
Murali Mohan
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Hi,
I have 4 years 6 months experience in J2EE. Just I received a interview call from them not offer.
Now a days most of the good companies having only maintenance projects, thatswhy I want to find out info about IBM strategy.
Regards,
Murali
Sharma Ashutosh
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My warning is that most of the work they are doing is of kind maintenance and testing. Infact salary is too less. If u r looking for quality work exp.-dont go out there.


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Murali Mohan
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Hi ,
I got selected in the technical interview but salary discussion is not yet over.
I was told , the recruitment is for designing and developing J2EE projects.
Right now I am getting 2.82 with 4.6 years experience in J2EE. How much increment can I expect? How will be salaries in IBM???
Billy Tsai
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Joined: May 23, 2003
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where can you go for quality and valued experience?


BEA 8.1 Certified Administrator, IBM Certified Solution Developer For XML 1.1 and Related Technologies, SCJP, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCDJWS, SCJD, SCEA,
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Sharma Ashutosh
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Ur sal. in ur current company is very low. U wont get good development projects in IBM. U shud bargain at 5.5 atleast.
Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Monu Sharma:
Ur sal. in ur current company is very low. U wont get good development projects in IBM. U shud bargain at 5.5 atleast.

I second that. Ask for at least 5.5L/p.a. But usually sal depends on Curent CTC, so try to get a good deal. Man, for 4.6 years experience in J2EE you're grossly underpaid. I know some ppl with 2+ years experience getting 4.68 at Kanbay, and thye don't know difference between static variable and instance variable!!! Life isn't fair....
- Manish
Sharma Ashutosh
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Thanks Manish for seconding my thoughts.
Murali please dont spoil the market for the highly paid java developers in Blore/India. U shud be really demanding. Atleast u shud get N+1 where N is ur exp. in yrs. and the atmost cud be 2N+1. In both these case N>=2.
So please demand more-if u demand very less u know what kind of work is goign to be offered to u.
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What Manu is indicating is correct and in tune with the current job market in India !
Murali Mohan
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Hi ,
Thanks to your suggestions.
I will not ask less than 5.5. By the way my current location is Hyderabad so 2.82 is not bad and I am waiting for the apprisal in my current company(I have completed 1 year in the company).
In Hyderabad 2.82 means , it is equal to 3.82 in bangalore. I will be asking atleast 30% increment on 3.82 and I have to say to them(IBM) , I am waiting for apprisal in my current company.
Once again thanks for all the replies.
Regards,
Murali
Sharma Ashutosh
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Murali,
A ~5 yr. exp. guy in IBM is getting around 6 LPA-afte this April's salary hike. And u hav to wait for the hike upto next april. So ask for 5.5 to 6.0 now.
Manish Hatwalne
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Wait for your appraisal, so that your current CTC increases and then you can ask for more.
- Manish
Ashok Mash
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Originally posted by Monu Sharma:
Murali,
A ~5 yr. exp. guy in IBM is getting around 6 LPA-afte this April's salary hike. And u hav to wait for the hike upto next april. So ask for 5.5 to 6.0 now.

I wonder what would be the take-home pay (per month) for 6 lakhs per annum?
Thanks in advance!


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Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:

I wonder what would be the take-home pay (per month) for 6 lakhs per annum?
Thanks in advance!

My guess - Around 32-35K (That might be inaccurate, ut I guess not incorrect).
- Manish
jyothi godavarthy
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The take home pay changes from company to company, some companies will have a quarterly incentive, which will be paid based on performance, so even if your CTC is high, take home pay may come to less, as there will also be TDS.So in IBM whats the take home pay for a person earning 6LPA CTC.
Sharma Ashutosh
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ib ibm they hav some gratuity which is 5% of ur basic. Then they also used to include the variable pay/bonus in there ctc. So effectively 6 LPA is 5.5 LPA. and guys please do homework on ur own what shud be the take home.
IBM doesn't help it's employee to save even a pennny on taxes.
Sameer Jamal
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What kind of ctc I should expect from infy, I have 3 years of exp in MS Technologies.
Sharma Ashutosh
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Sameer,
infy is a cool company in terms of less work. So for a 3 yr. exp. guy it shud be 3.5 to 4.25. Try to negotiate harder there.
Sameer Jamal
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I am offered for the maintenance and support work at Infy though salary is ggod, should I accept the offer.
Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
I am offered for the maintenance and support work at Infy though salary is ggod, should I accept the offer.

What do *you* want to do? Typically, ppl look at infy for long term relationship. If you think you'd be happy doing maintenance and support work, go for it. Infy is one of the most fair employers, worldwide. Besides, you'd enjoy getting associated with a reputed name which always helps. But if you think you would rather prefer development; don't go for it. Sometimes, it is very frustrating if you don't enjoy what you're doing, irrespective of brand equity of the company and higher monetary benefits.
- Manish
Sharma Ashutosh
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I second what Manish said.
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
I am offered for the maintenance and support work at Infy though salary is ggod, should I accept the offer.

Are they offering "Software Engineer" or "Programmar Analyst" designation?
If latter, along with salary around 4.5, go for it.


- Varun
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
I am offered for the maintenance and support work

5-10 years down the line it going to be all maintainence and support work only, accept this as a fact. Even today you need to be lucky to get a real time development work.
I will suggest you to check out the profile offered and see how good it is compared to that of people, with same experience, working there.
and as i said , if the designation they offered is PA, accept the offer.
Arjun Shastry
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Samir, I think you should accept the offer despite of the fact thats its support work etc.Currently bcos of offshoring job situaion is somewhat better but who knows what happens 6 months or 1 year down the line?Infy will stand and will be in profit if you see its history.This is not the case with smaller/medium companies.Also you can request the manager after sometime the area of your interest.I think nobody will deny opportunity if they have the requirement and your profile fit there.and if job situation gets worst you can get another job easily bcos of Infy tag.As Varun said in next few years ,majority of people (atleast in India) will be doing support ,maintenance type jobs.Accept the reality and go on.
Sameer Jamal
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Thanks Manish, Varun. Monu and Cap for your suggestion.
Ashok Mash
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Originally posted by Varun Khanna:
5-10 years down the line it going to be all maintainence and support work only, accept this as a fact. Even today you need to be lucky to get a real time development work.

I wonder why?! I can�t think of a reason why would there be any less development projects in future! I think with the high emphasis on process that�s on now, and with the experience gained over years to come, Indian firms will move onto produce more system and general applications, and will work direct with clients instead of outsourcing from software house.
I agree, there will be more Java technology projects in the maintenance stage, and hence more Java developers find themselves doing maintenance, but with the flexibility with which projects/products are designed, I think there will always be new development (improving, replacing) of existing projects, and new projects.
Just my Rs 0.02/-
R K Singh
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:
Just my Rs 0.02/-

I like it..
AW with all this discussion, it always pays you if you get a tag from goodfamous companies like IBM/Wipro/TCS/Infy etc.
I know some people who joined alomst with same pay scale what they were getting in their previous company.
So it all depends what are you looking for money OR name ?? Some people look for money and some look for name..
just my Rs. 0.02/-


"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:
I wonder why?! I can�t think of a reason why would there be any less development projects in future! ....

But the reality is far from this.
I gave around 20+ interviews last year while looking out for a change. and whether it was a NASSCOM top 10 company, or a middle sized growing company, or a small company, the kind of work that was offered was either maintainence, support or at the best enhancement types.
I don't have any data to quote, but the majority of the work been done by TCS/INFY/WIPRO is of maintainence types.
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
AW with all this discussion, it always pays you if you get a tag from goodfamous companies like IBM/Wipro/TCS/Infy etc.

I am curious to know how it helps.

Helps in getting rich?
Helps in getting famous?
Helps in getting admissions in B-Schools?
Helps in getting VISA to US/other countries (relatively)easily?
Ella Rath
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Joined: Apr 19, 2004
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Hi friends,
i am sorry to interrupt the interesting discussion going on in this thread but i have a basic clarification which i hope u won't mind answering. i am still a student yet to experience how the job environment will be? i want to know what actually maintanence means?
i understand development is developing code but what does a person in maintanence actually do? does he need to develop any code?
and will a fresher like me(i have been recently selected in campus recrutiment by an IT biggie and will be joining them in a month) get into development or maintanence??
tahnks in advance
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Ella Rath:
i want to know what actually maintanence means?
i understand development is developing code but what does a person in maintanence actually do ...

Assume you are done with your graduation and got a job in Bangalore.
Now as you can see in many threads going around, property is really costly in bangalore ... so you decide to build your own house.
Software community will say you are "developing" your house
Right from the point of designing the rooms to painting your house, the process will come under the development. Once you get your house ready, you will start staying right?.

Now it's your responsibility to *maintain* your house.
Sometime down the line you see that the house is leaking in rainy season .. you will need some patch work .... that's a maintainence .. or better *fix* ... !!!
Your girl friends comes to your house and asks you to get one bath-tub in your bathroom ... then you will have to, isn't?
Now that will be called as an "enhancement" ... !!!
Got some idea? ..... Hope I didn't hurt your feelings in the process
[ May 11, 2004: Message edited by: Varun Khanna ]
Sameer Jamal
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In companies like infy if you have less than 3 years of exp then the general trend is they see your career marks, if you have 70% or above through out then chances are you will get the development work, if you have less than 70% and if u r through in written and technical then u might get maintenance and support job.
Arjun Shastry
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Infy,and some other offshore shops are really adamant on that.L&T I remember even if your GPA is 7.9 instead of their requirement of 8,they reject.If you are interested in development one should go for startups or medium sized(non CMM level) companies.
Ella Rath
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Joined: Apr 19, 2004
Posts: 17
Hi,
varun, thank u very much for the lovely explanation of development and maintanence.girl friends asking for bath-tub in the bathroom!! can life get better than that
another clarification: does working in companies like Infy need even freshers to work till midnight regularly or is it only during approaching project deadlines that we need to burn the midnight oil
[ May 11, 2004: Message edited by: Ella Rath ]
Arjun Shastry
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Its only during project deadlines man.why would project manager will screw programmers for no reason?
Manish Hatwalne
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Sameer, I'd be interested in knowing what you decide. If you don't mind do post what you decide and your rationale for the same!
- Manish
Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:
Sameer, I'd be interested in knowing what you decide. If you don't mind do post what you decide and your rationale for the same!
- Manish

Manish I am waiting for the offer I can only decide when I will collect my offer letter and I will let u know my decision.
[ May 11, 2004: Message edited by: Sameer Jamal ]
R K Singh
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Originally posted by Varun Khanna:

I am curious to know how it helps.

Helps in getting rich?
True ;-)
Helps in getting famous?
True, among your friends and relatives ;-)
Helps in getting admissions in B-Schools?
Again true. :-|
Helps in getting VISA to US/other countries (relatively)easily?
If its being applied by the company then again yes.
And it also helps you in future in getting better opportunities.
And once you join these big names .. you find that there is nothing special than name itself.
jyothi godavarthy
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Joined: Jan 28, 2004
Posts: 135
Originally posted by Murali Mohan Mohan Murali:
Hi ,

Thanks to your suggestions.

I will not ask less than 5.5. By the way my current location is Hyderabad so 2.82 is not bad and I am waiting for the apprisal in my current company(I have completed 1 year in the company).

In Hyderabad 2.82 means , it is equal to 3.82 in bangalore. I will be asking atleast 30% increment on 3.82 and I have to say to them(IBM) , I am waiting for apprisal in my current company.

Once again thanks for all the replies.

Regards,
Murali



Was just wondering how much did they agree for finally and did u take up the job, my friend too got an offer, and though she negotiated hard she had to settle for 4.25, she has around 4 yrs exp.Is this far too less.They were saying big or branded companies don't pay high sals like small companies it seems
 
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