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HP or Polaris???

Vijay Vaddem
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Hi,


Given a choice with same package, position and technologies......
Which company would u prefer to go for?? HP or Polaris ???

One of my friend is really confused abt this......... he got offers
from above 2 companies and he needs to make a quick decision.....
[ September 16, 2004: Message edited by: Vijay Vaddem ]
Ko Ko Naing
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I vote for HP!!!


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satish sathineni
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As far as Brand name and the Company Status i would prefer HP

And other things like the Hikes and other facilities

Also important to mention the Work Culture and Environment i dont have clear IDea...

The above things if one could answer u can join without any second thought
Rahul Juneja
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I will go with Naing and Vote for HP.

Thanks,
Rahul Juneja


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Derek Grey
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HP ... for obvious reasons.
Vijay Vaddem
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As far as i know.....

HP has two divisions........ One is R & D and the other one which runs
under "Digital Globalsoft" is an services based center.

In R & D center, U will have lot of exposure to latest technologies and
the projects will be good......

But since Digital being a services based center and one will be developing
"Web applications" kind of projects..........

This person got into Digital...... not R & D center.....

Looking from Domain point of view...i feel Polaris would be a better option
bcos i see a lot of growth opportunities in financial sector.......

Any ideas??
Arjun Shastry
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I too think so.Polaris might give him onsite opportunies in south east Asia as it has its Customer base there.Also I am not sure but HP(India)/Digital(India) etc have setup here mainly to save money.Where are Polaris is totally project based company.


MH
Kj Reddy
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The projects under Digital Soft(HP) is mostly maitainance projects. Not much challenging. But they gives lot trainings which will be helpful in future. Not much work pressure.

Polaris projects are mostly with Citi Group and banking domain. Lot of work pressure.

I feel HP is better choice. Onsite in both companies depends on kind of project. Even I had offers from both but I went with HP.
Vijay Vaddem
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Hi Jagadish,

So....do u have any regrets over joining HP / Digital???

What kind of project / technologies ur working on at present??
How is the work culture and do u see any "Bossism".....???
Kj Reddy
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Now I am not with HP. NOw I am with Lucent. I liked HP. Work culture is good, bosses are good. I am assigned to a project and I felt I am not going learn much new in that project and it same as my previous projects. No domain knowledge also. So I left and joined in Lucent where I can get some Telecom domain knowledge. Otherwise HP is a good company, cool environment.
Vijay Vaddem
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How abt Hidden costs??? I heard that there would be lot of hidden
costs in the package of HP and u never get what ur offer letter shows...

Is this correct???
Kj Reddy
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I dont think there is any hidden costs. Infact most of the company's have a annual component called Variable Pay which will be given based on your performance and company performance. Even HP have same concept but now they are giving full amount with your monthly component. Even Polaris having same variable pay which 5% of CTC. But I believe HP is having good HR policies
Abhi Parashar
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Joined: Sep 26, 2004
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Never think of Polaris unless you do not have a real IT degree
and are unemployed.
Vijay Vaddem
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Hi,

Any Specific reason for this??
Abhi Parashar
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Joined: Sep 26, 2004
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90% of the crowd at Polaris is non engineers from NIIT.
Polaris salaries are very low, and increments are a laughing matter.

They do have a lot of onsite work but they dont pay well at onsite.

Above all the management treats you bad.You will never find anyone ready
to listen to you.They "will" send you onsite... with very little pay
and no health benefits or insurance....

If you get HP dont even think of Polaris.
David O'Meara
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Suresh Thota
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90% of the crowd at Polaris is non engineers from NIIT.
Polaris salaries are very low, and increments are a laughing matter.

They do have a lot of onsite work but they dont pay well at onsite.

Above all the management treats you bad.You will never find anyone ready
to listen to you.They "will" send you onsite... with very little pay
and no health benefits or insurance....
}

absolutely baseless statements.

Great Lakes, what's your source of information?

-Suresh


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Pradeep bhatt
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They do have a lot of onsite work but they dont pay well at onsite


They pay $40/day. Very few pay 50$/day.


Groovy
Arun Prasath
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90% of the crowd at Polaris is non engineers from NIIT.
Polaris salaries are very low, and increments are a laughing matter.

They do have a lot of onsite work but they dont pay well at onsite.

Above all the management treats you bad.You will never find anyone ready
to listen to you.They "will" send you onsite... with very little pay
and no health benefits or insurance....

If you get HP dont even think of Polaris.


I was with Polaris.
I too agree that given a choice I would choose Hp.
but your statements above are wrong. Polaris does have medical benefits and insurance, as I have used those facilities. I also dont agree that 90% of employees are from NIIT. I could see real good techies from good colleges in that organisation. The pay packet is thin though.
Sridhar Garimella
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Polaris onsite pay is on par( even better than TCS ) with other indian companies atleast in Europe but its not the same case in India.


Thanks,<br />Sridhar.
Nikhil Kedar
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Joined: Oct 06, 2004
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Is polaris so bad company ? My brother is in dilema ? He is selected for Accenture and Polaris ? what are the pay packages for Polaris, India for a person having 2-3 years of exp. Do they pay good or better than Accenture ? Are there any future prospects for engineers ? After reading above comments I am really amazed about Polaris Stand ?
Arun Prasath
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Polaris pays approximately 2.5 to 3.2 lakhs per annum for 2-3 years of experience.
Accenture definitely pays better than Polaris. I dont know about onsite opportunities in Accenture. But Polaris does have but very few. Accenture will be a good choice.
Abhi Parashar
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90% of the crowd at Polaris is non engineers from NIIT.
Polaris salaries are very low, and increments are a laughing matter.

They do have a lot of onsite work but they dont pay well at onsite.

Above all the management treats you bad.You will never find anyone ready
to listen to you.They "will" send you onsite... with very little pay
and no health benefits or insurance....

If you get HP dont even think of Polaris.
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I was with Polaris.
I too agree that given a choice I would choose Hp.
but your statements above are wrong. Polaris does have medical benefits and insurance, as I have used those facilities. I also dont agree that 90% of employees are from NIIT. I could see real good techies from good colleges in that organisation. The pay packet is thin though.


-----------Formerly Great Lakes------------------

I am with Polaris...I am onsite...their current pay package is real low..no benefits provided...no medical,dental or insurance...no help from managment...The worst fact is that I left my job in India and went for a so called long-term onsite oppertunity ...just waiting for a ticket home now..

Polaris chennai has better projects than Gurgaon though.However Accenture is a better choice.
peter wooster
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Originally posted by Abhi Parashar:
90% of the crowd at Polaris is non engineers from NIIT.
Polaris salaries are very low, and increments are a laughing matter.

They do have a lot of onsite work but they dont pay well at onsite.

Above all the management treats you bad.You will never find anyone ready
to listen to you.They "will" send you onsite... with very little pay
and no health benefits or insurance....

If you get HP dont even think of Polaris.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I was with Polaris.
I too agree that given a choice I would choose Hp.
but your statements above are wrong. Polaris does have medical benefits and insurance, as I have used those facilities. I also dont agree that 90% of employees are from NIIT. I could see real good techies from good colleges in that organisation. The pay packet is thin though.


-----------Formerly Great Lakes------------------

I am with Polaris...I am onsite...their current pay package is real low..no benefits provided...no medical,dental or insurance...no help from managment...The worst fact is that I left my job in India and went for a so called long-term onsite oppertunity ...just waiting for a ticket home now..

Polaris chennai has better projects than Gurgaon though.However Accenture is a better choice.


To the poster formerly known as Great Lakes. I assume by "onsite" you mean in North America, may I ask where? Was it in US or Canada? My impression of Accenture (formerly known as Arthur Anderson) is that its best avoided, given their unprofessional behaviour in the Enron affair.
Nikhil Kedar
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Joined: Oct 06, 2004
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What sort of work is related to Associate Consultant in Polaris. What type of work can I expect as as Associate Consultant in Polaris?

what sort of projects does polaris works on now days. is there any type of salary increment scheme in polaris. DOes polaris mumbai have good oppurtunities furhter. is polaris work culture good than MBT. is it worth leaving MBT and joining Polaris.

Really polaris pays very less. do they work only on banking, finance projects ? Is there any chance of going abroad working with polaris. what does it mean "u may have to work out of mumbai for further assignments".
Mohammed Raza
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Joined: Aug 30, 2004
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Hi Nikhil,

I am working for one of the Citigroup companies and on the project on which Iam its being developed by polaris pretty huge one. Apart from this there are lots of other citigroup projects which are undertaken by Polaris.

Given that Polaris's main business is from citigroup their domain of specialisation is Banking and Finance if you are looking to switch to banking domain I think it will be good company to go for.

As far as on site opportunity goes I don't know about Polaris Mumbai but from Polaris Chennai I have seen people moving to on-site support especially the project on which Iam.

Cheers


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Kj Reddy
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Hi Nikhil

Associate Consultant means there will 3 bands again. Based on your band you can be max module lead. Like they have 110, 120, 130 Polaris is having lot of project from Citi Group in BFI. I got appointment in Polaris for citi group insurance project. We cant compare MBT and Polaris. In polaris there will lot of work pressure. When I got appointment my PM told that I need to work for late hours and they asked me to take my house near to office

But if you ar eworking in MBT as u hv experience in Telecom domain, why dont you try in telecom domain as it is very hot and telecom companies are paying more salaries now days like Lucent, Cisco, Juniper networks, Sasken.

Good Luck
Billy Tsai
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what kind of software languages and application server does both of these companiese use for their software or global service division?


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Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Great Lakes:
90% of the crowd at Polaris is non engineers from NIIT.


Yes you are right.
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Ragu Raj
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Joined: Dec 02, 2004
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Hi,

Hows the work culture in Polaris and onsite pay structure specifically to Singapore or UK?. I too got few offers along with Polaris and since Polaris is offering a long-term onsite oppurtunity, I am now in a dilemma of switching either of them. Moreover, I am in telecom and if I join in Polaris, I need to move to Banking domain. Whats ur suggestion, as I am looking for earning bugs which I am thinking of Polaris, as it offers long-term on-site.

Any suggestions would greatly appreciated.
Kj Reddy
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By Ragu Raj
Hi,

Hows the work culture in Polaris and onsite pay structure specifically to Singapore or UK?. I too got few offers along with Polaris and since Polaris is offering a long-term onsite oppurtunity, I am now in a dilemma of switching either of them. Moreover, I am in telecom and if I join in Polaris, I need to move to Banking domain. Whats ur suggestion, as I am looking for earning bugs which I am thinking of Polaris, as it offers long-term on-site.

Any suggestions would greatly appreciated.



I heard lot of work pressure in Polaris. I guess not many onsite opportunities in Polaris. There are lot of big companies recruiting in Telecom domain with big salaires. Why dont you try them. I feel you better to be in Telecom Domain itself. I moved to Telecom domain from Banking Domain, and enjoying my work

Good Luck
Jagdish
Ragu Raj
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Have anyone worked on Polaris-Gurgaon in onsite for Singapore/UK?. If so, hows the work atmosphere and pressure?. How would be the pay structure and duration of the onsite work. If anyone experienced, do let me know..
Saurabh Rai
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Joined: Oct 07, 2004
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Hi Guys,

As there is some interesting discussion going on here,
I am 2.3 yrs of exp. in J2EE,
I am also having few quick questions:
Given a choice among
BEA Systems, Bangalore
IBM, Gurgaon (ISL Division)
I flex, Mumbai

What to choose?
Which one is the best paymaster and also has good techi work too?
Who are the best pay masters in IT industry (J2EE)?
And what are the best companies to work with?




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Polaris is not even a choice..Go for HP
Kripal Singh
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If you want to stick with pure J2EE go for BEA systems . Money doesn't matter in long term .
Originally posted by saurabhrais saurabhrais:
Hi Guys,

As there is some interesting discussion going on here,
I am 2.3 yrs of exp. in J2EE,
I am also having few quick questions:
Given a choice among
BEA Systems, Bangalore
IBM, Gurgaon (ISL Division)
I flex, Mumbai

What to choose?
Which one is the best paymaster and also has good techi work too?
Who are the best pay masters in IT industry (J2EE)?
And what are the best companies to work with?




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Then what matters
Originally posted by Kripal Singh:
Money doesn't matter in long term .
Saurabh Rai
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Is BEA not a good pay master ???
How much does BEA pay to 2+ yrs of exp.?
Vijay Vaddem
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Anywhere between 4 to 6 lakhs per annum.............
VishalGupta Gupta
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Originally posted by Vijay Vaddem:
Anywhere between 4 to 6 lakhs per annum.............



I understand that BEA is a very good paymaster in Bangalore.. And it should be in the range of 6-8 lacs..
4-6 is not at all a good paymasters' sign...
Economy is booming guys.. it is time to exploit the options..
lenin laker
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Hi,

I think HP is better as brand wise and work wise. I am working here from past 3.4 years and I never felt boaring with my job.

Its a product based company. I am working for R & D part. but, I also think services part of HP is also good.

Polaries I never had good idea..and at last its totally services company..

I vote for HP stongly..

WISH U GOOD LUCK..welcome to HP.

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