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Employee exploitation Tata Elxsi Limited

Ashish Korde
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Joined: Nov 17, 2004
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Hello All,

I would like to draw your attention towards employee worst exploitation and harrassment by Tata Elxsi Limited. Any IT Professional that is having less than 1 year of experience is required to sign a one sided (Tata Elxis) 1.5 year service agreement. During the tenure of this agreement, if the employee leaves the company, he is required to pay amount of Rs 3 lakhs .The salary given to the employee is only 10000 per month and it is a trainee position. They can throw the employee out of the company at any time. During the tenure of this agreement, he is harrassed at all levels. Working time is from 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM. Employees are forced to work till midnight (daily).Their HR policy is even more worse than this. You don't get any increments or appraisals during this tenure.

Company has some fortune 500 clients like TI, Canon, Epson, ROHM, PACE, Motorola, Hitachi etc..
I will request these companies to terminate their all businesses with this company in the interest of Indian worker.

Aslo, I would like the help of my community to initiate legal proceedings against this company's exploitative policies

Thanks,

Fighter against exploitation of Software Professionals in India
Arjun Shastry
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Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 1874
Originally posted by Ashish Korde:
Hello All,
Company has some fortune 500 clients like TI, Canon, Epson, ROHM, PACE, Motorola, Hitachi etc..
Aslo, I would like the help of my community to initiate legal proceedings against this company's exploitative policies

This looks similar to one thread started by Pankaj Sharma(Bond Fighter).There it was Patni,here its Tata.
You want to fight against Tata?The people who decide how much tax rebate should be given in a budget by government?

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I will request these companies to terminate their all businesses with this company in the interest of Indian worker
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What about their interest?
[ November 17, 2004: Message edited by: Arjun Shastry ]

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Shailesh Chandra
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Joined: Aug 13, 2004
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Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:


This looks similar to one thread started by Pankaj Sharma(Bond



This is exactly same thread...

But such thread give a picture of working environment of company.

I think we should start a thread where every one will put positive and negative points of their employer.

It will help other to decide who are looking to switch their JOB.


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Sachin Dere
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Joined: Jan 14, 2003
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Guys,
agree with u completely..cheers
Pradeep bhatt
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Joined: Feb 27, 2002
Posts: 8919

Working time is from 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM. Employees are forced to work till midnight (daily).


I am sure most of us do that. I think you are new to IT industry.

Tata Elxsi Limited has lot of onsite opp. One of my classmates went abroad and has recently purchased a Ford Icon car. Not every one is lucky.

don't get any increments or appraisals during this tenure.


How many companies give increments when you have not worked for 1 year in that place ? Very few.
[ November 18, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

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Krishna Chandran
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Joined: Nov 17, 2004
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I am a 2004 pass out, fresher. I joined in Tata Elxsi around 5 months back. I am into a testing project. My current pay is 10K per month. I have signed a bond for 3 lakhs. I got an offer from a very good company. Is there any legal issues if I join the other company without paying the bond?
Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by Krishna Chandran:
I am a 2004 pass out, fresher. I joined in Tata Elxsi around 5 months back. I am into a testing project. My current pay is 10K per month. I have signed a bond for 3 lakhs. I got an offer from a very good company. Is there any legal issues if I join the other company without paying the bond?

Did you get a training from Tata?If answer is yes,then joining another company without paying bond may be problematic.Many IT companies hire freshers and give them training .In return they expect you will stay in company for sometime(from 1 year to 2 years).As discussed in earlier thread,one can not be jailed by any means even if you resign before stipulated time.But our archaic laws give employers few ways to harrass legally.
Krishna Chandran
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I didnt get any sort of training(Class room). But they have mentioned about "On the job Training" in the agreement. So the company is telling that what ever job we are doing, that is the training. We were directly put into client projects
Mike Gershman
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Isn't there the issue of a "relieving letter"?


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Arjun Shastry
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These kind of problems are occuring bcos of high attrition rates.I know one startup where they hired 15 or some people.Gave training to half of them thinking they will be getting big offshore project.3 months passed with no work and employees started surfing monsterindia.com and naukri.com.!!After 2 months half of them left with 4 days notice.Company then introduced 'the bond'! and started hiring again.
Homer Phillips
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Joined: May 26, 2004
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I am sure most of us do that. I think you are new to IT industry.


You are saying sixteen hour days are the norm in India. Is this for a salary of for 8 hours pay? Does anybody ever get overtime pay? After you initial bond is served is there another bond? Is the bonding process industry wide? Does the state of the economy cause fluctuations in the bond terms? One last thing, could someone calculate what percentage of first year salary is this bond?
[ November 19, 2004: Message edited by: Homer Phillips ]
Billy Tsai
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we should start a petitions against all the big companies for against unfair treatments and bad working environments for professional employees.


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Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by Homer Phillips:

You are saying sixteen hour days are the norm in India. Is this for a salary of for 8 hours pay? Does anybody ever get overtime pay? After you initial bond is served is there another bond? Is the bonding process industry wide? Does the state of the economy cause fluctuations in the bond terms? One last thing, could someone calculate what percentage of first year salary is this bond?
[ November 19, 2004: Message edited by: Homer Phillips ]

I think Pradeep is exaggerating little bit.I never saw in my career anybody working 16 hours a day on all days.May be once or twice in a quarter.Otherwise its 7-8 hours.Bonding process is not industry wide.Few (not all)companies ask for bond to freshers or people who require training in certain area.Practically speaking,very few people(employees) take these bonds etc seriously.They know even if company is serious about this bond,law will take its own course!.I never heard company recovered the bond money and ex-employee went to jail.Bond is basically mild threat.
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could someone calculate what percentage of first year salary is this bond?
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I think it depends from company to company.There is no specfic pattern for this.How to decide absolute value of training given to employee?If company thinks of sending employee outside,then they ask visa fee etc should be recovered by means of bond.
Mike Gershman
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Billy Tsai:
we should start a petitions against all the big companies for against unfair treatments and bad working environments for professional employees.

Do you mean big Indian companies or big US companies operating in India?

According to other posts on this BB, the Indian government is not doing much to regulate IT companies because they are adding jobs and growing the Indian economy. As for getting much sympathy for Indian IT workers from the US customers and the US shareholders of companies operating in India, that is unrealistic.

By the way, you are working at your first job for the experience. The more hours you work, the more experience you get. That is how I started. I don't know the Indian rules about overtime pay, but in the US mainly contract employees get paid overtime.
[ November 19, 2004: Message edited by: Mike Gershman ]
danny liu
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Any IT Professional that is having less than 1 year of experience is required to sign a one sided (Tata Elxis) 1.5 year service agreement.

Freshers are taken advantage everywhere, cause you are not boss.

The salary given to the employee is only 10000 per month and it is a trainee position.

10k sounds pretty high to me, what currency are you using?

Working time is from 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM. Employees are forced to work till midnight (daily).

That's really sth horrible. Are we living in 21th century?

Hope you people can get through it ASAP.

Dan
Arjun Shastry
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The more hours you work, the more experience you get. That is how I started.
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Thats correct.Thats how it should work.Some people think their job is most supreme and superior to other industries.So they develop some kind of superiority complex thinking only they are the one should deserve more money and should be put 'onsite' within 6 months.
Now comapring Indian IT industry,you are right,Govt. does not interfere as its adding more jobs and earning more currency.But if you compare nonIT industry jobs,IT job is way better than these jobs.Not only in terms of money but other facilities too.
Take the example of job at BPO/Call center.Boys/Girls who used to flunk in exams are getting really good money based on their english knowledge/accent.Starting salary may be around 10000 Rs.This is the salary of civil engineer with 3-5 years of experience earns after sweating.
Pradeep bhatt
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I think Pradeep is exaggerating little bit.I never saw in my career anybody working 16 hours a day on all days.


Not on all days but most of the time.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Homer Phillips:


You are saying sixteen hour days are the norm in India. Is this for a salary of for 8 hours pay? Does anybody ever get overtime pay? After you initial bond is served is there another bond? Is the bonding process industry wide? Does the state of the economy cause fluctuations in the bond terms? One last thing, could someone calculate what percentage of first year salary is this bond?

[ November 19, 2004: Message edited by: Homer Phillips ]


No one pays you for working over time. Only few companies have bonds mostly owned by TATA group.
Pradeep bhatt
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10k sounds pretty high to me, what currency are you using?


Indian currency .Is it high? A fresher out of college in US gets paid 64K USD.
[ November 21, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]
Arjun Shastry
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Only few companies have bonds mostly owned by TATA group
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Correct.Non-IT industry (except govt. organization) never had this bond etc. as lot of labor is available.TATA etc type companies have bond bcos getting any type of visa working outside India helps if authority sees TATA on your resume.(TATA on your resume also helps if you are prospective bride/groom!! )
I don't know about the authenticity,but people used to say 1 in 10 in H1Bs used to be from TATA group company(TCS/Tata Infotech..........).
[ November 21, 2004: Message edited by: Arjun Shastry ]
 
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