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Benefit Package - Vacation

Joshua Halim
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Joined: Jun 15, 2004
Posts: 12
How common is the following vacation benefit for Software Developer?
- 1st year: 5 days vacation
- 2nd - 5th year: 10 days vacation
- 6th - ... : 15 days vacation
plus 40 hours personal/sick leave per year.

I got a job offer with the above benefit. I like the job and the opportunity is good. The company is about 400 employees.

Thank's
Jeroen Wenting
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Joined: Oct 12, 2000
Posts: 5093
All depends on where you are...
In the Netherlands 23 days a year is the legal minimum for a fulltime employee.
Many companies give 1 day extra for every 5 years of service and 1 day extra for every 5 years of age over age 50.


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danny liu
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- 1st year: 5 days vacation


It's really too short for a vacation.

Dan
Eric Pascarello
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A lot of companies do not even give vacation time for the first full year. You usaully have to fight for it.

What you have said looks to be normal benefits.

5 days is a week off with leaving on a firday night arriving the next Sunday, that is a good amount of time! Or am I just day dreaming? Ad it with holidays and it will be longer.

How about number of paid holidays? 10 is usually the norm?

Eric
Mark Herschberg
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Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
As Jeroen noted, it's depends on your country.

The most common package I've seen in the US is 2 weeks and roughly 10+2 holidays (10 holidays and two floating). Some places use time banks where they combine sick and vacation days into one number.

--Mark
fred rosenberger
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My company gives

0-3 years - 2 weeks
3-7 years - 3 weeks
7-10 years - 4 weeks
10+ years - 5 weeks

10 sick days a year. sick days roll over to some unknown (by me) limit. Vacation you can roll over no more than 25 days.

approx. 8-10 holidays a year, although New Years Eve is usually a 1/2 day.


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Joshua Halim
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Joined: Jun 15, 2004
Posts: 12
Thank you guys.

The company is in US. What Mark and Fred said was what I also usually saw in companies in US, I even had an offer once that offer 3 weeks right away and 4 weeks after 5 years.

After reading the offer letter further, I will actually get 2 weeks in the first year until 5th year, then 3 weeks from that point on. But the vacation is not accrued per pay-check (which what I also usually see). It is accrued at the end of the first 6 months and second 6 months, then at the end of each 12 months thereafter. So, it means in the first year I work there I will get only 5 days vacation as well as the next year. Then 2 weeks thereafter.

I decided it is not a big deal, since we just have a baby daughter this year, and we found it is a lot of work to have a trip/vacation with her. So, we figure that we probably will not take a long vacation until she is 2 or more. And if the work is enjoyable (which so far I think it will), getting Sat-Sun off for each week is good enough for me to relax. Plus, the office is less than 10 minutes from home.

I decided not to fight for more vacation because it is a standard policy and there is a special circumstances in my hiring that I will do me more harm than good to negotiate for more vacation.

Thank's a lot for the responses. It has helped me to sort things thru.
Manish Hatwalne
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Joined: Sep 22, 2001
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Here it is common to have at least 3 weeks paid vacaion ad 10 holidays a yer.

- Manish
Manish Hatwalne
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Joined: Sep 22, 2001
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Heck!! My Sis's company allows here 42 paid das, ad if not availed they can even do leave encashment!!!

- Manish
Manish Hatwalne
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The company I am working for is reluctant to give me 15 days vacation even for my own wedding!!! Guess it's time to switch...

- Manish
Joe King
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Originally posted by fred rosenberger:
0-3 years - 2 weeks


I'm shocked. I've heard that US companies give less leave then European companies, but I hadn't realised how many and how low. Two weeks?! I'd consider four weeks to be minimum for a graduate position. How on earth do people cope with only two weeks off a year (plus a handful of public holidays)? I wonder if there is a link between the stress related illness rate and the average number of paid leave days in a country.
Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Joe King:


I'm shocked. I've heard that US companies give less leave then European companies, but I hadn't realised how many and how low. Two weeks?! I'd consider four weeks to be minimum for a graduate position. How on earth do people cope with only two weeks off a year (plus a handful of public holidays)? I wonder if there is a link between the stress related illness rate and the average number of paid leave days in a country.


Exactly!!!
You need time to unwind, and it's holidays which can get you charged up.

- Manish
Joshua Halim
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Joined: Jun 15, 2004
Posts: 12

Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:

Exactly!!!
You need time to unwind, and it's holidays which can get you charged up.



It depends on how you look at work. Ideally work should be both for income and satisfaction - it should not jeopordize or risk your health (of course there are exceptions). There needs to be stresses at work place - as long as it is healthy. If I have to have at least x number weeks of vacation just to unwind, I will probably reconsider the job and look for something else. It is just my personal opinion.

It also depends on the culture. In Asia, I know some countries that (at least used to) have Monday - Saturday as working day and rarely companies give more than 2 weeks of vacation.
Manish Hatwalne
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Two points here.

(1) I don't know how much experience you have, but irrespective of how much you enjoy your work in this high stress level s/w industry; holidays/vacations always come across as welcome breaks. Coding requires very high level of concentration and alertness, and can cause lot of mental fatigue. Burn outs are not rare here.

(2) I can speak for India, any self respecting s/w industry here will have 5 days week. I believe most, if not all have 5 days week now. Beides, no of holidays are usually more in India. Esp if you're working in Banks, teaching profession, you can have upto 45 calendar days off.

- Manish
 
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