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Worse job offer for US citizen ?

Eric Lemaitre
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Joined: Jul 03, 2004
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Hi all !

On 17th december was posted on german Monster.com (found through keyword "java") an offer from Raytheon requiring US citizenship for : USD 25,000.00 /Jahr (jahr = year, just in case).

I am very surprised, this looks to me as an awfully low pay, perhaps not even a beginner's one, especially considering level asked and military environment. It would probably be decent in India, but not in an expensive european country (this would just pay yearly housing in UK for example).

http://jobsuche.monster.de/getjob.asp?JobID=25827477&AVSDM=2004%2D12%2D17+15%3A26%3A34&Logo=1&col=dltci&cy=de&brd=1%2C5808&lid=&fn=&q=java

Snapshots of skills asked :

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Job Description: ... Ada 95, Java, Perl, SQL, Bourne and C++. ... Unix system administration, ... network and system adminstration...

Required Skills: Strong Unix System Administration and programming ... including interactive databases, network, GPS modules, ... ADA 95... Perl and Bourne shell... LAN Administration ...

Desired Skills: Java and/or C++. OS X and Linux Redhat administration ... UML... CORBA ... SQL and relational database design...configure, and administrate various Unix, Linux, and OS X systems... HTML and CGIs...Tasking/Threads...MS Windows.

Required Education (including Major): Bachelor Degree in related field (Software Eng, CIS, IT).

US Citizenship required.
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What do you think of this one ?

Best regards.


Eric LEMAITRE
CNAM IT Engineer, MS/CS (RHCE, RHCX, SCJA, SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA, Net+)
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Mike Gershman
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My best guess is they already have a consultant lined up, perhaps retiring military, but the army requires them to try to hire a permanent. I'm suprised they didn't ask for a security clearance. Now they can say "We tried".


Mike Gershman
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Jeroen Wenting
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�25K would be in the private sector pay for someone with 3-4 years experience.
In the public sector pay is a bit less, but the benefits (free insurance, pension plans, etc. are usually better to compensate and you make less hours).

Remember pay in Europe is a LOT lower than it is in the US.


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Mike Gershman
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Remember pay in Europe is a LOT lower than it is in the US.

True, but it has to be a US citizen. Also, check out the job requirements. They sound more like someone's resume than a job description.
Henry Wong
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Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
My best guess is they already have a consultant lined up, perhaps retiring military, but the army requires them to try to hire a permanent. I'm suprised they didn't ask for a security clearance. Now they can say "We tried".


It is actually common, even in the private sector -- particularly with larger companies that have to conform to hiring standards. Personally, I think it is stupid, it may be unethical to violate hiring standards, depending on who gets hired. It is definitely unethical to ask people to interview for non-existant jobs.

Henry


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Henry Wong
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�25K would be in the private sector pay for someone with 3-4 years experience.


The exchange rate has changed drastically over the last year. 25k US dollars is now about 18.5k euros.

Henry
 
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