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Perak Patel
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Hi Ranchers,

I am a Software Developer working for an MNC in India & I would like to get a job in US .My chances of going to US through my company are very less as it generally has Maintenance projects ......so now i am left to try it out myself....

I have around 5 years of experience in IT ....
So my question to all is that how do i start my job hunt for working in US....Are there any consultants , websites etc..Whom to approach ?
Any ranchers from INDIA who are trying the same can share their views ....

Also what should be the salary that can be expected .?

Thanks in advance ...
Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by Perak Patel:

My chances of going to US through my company are very less as it generally has Maintenance projects ......


Its almost a fact with many companies.Also there are many small/medium shops too who are doing interesting things.


MH
Perak Patel
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Hi Arjun,

I had read many a posts by u & i guess u have worked in US .

Can u throw some light as to how do i begin my search for a US job...


Ranchers please share ur view ...

Thanks.
Pradeep bhatt
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Yes Arjun share your tips here.


Groovy
Arjun Shastry
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I recieved this 4 days back,This might help you
We are looking for J2EE programmers that will be placed with our client in US on permanent basis. If you are looking forward to relocate to US on long term basis and meet following job specifications please send your latest CV in MS Word format. 1. B.E. (preferably Comp. Science) / B.Tech. / M.Sc. (Comp. Science) / MCA from a reputed institute.
2. We are looking for developers who have minimum 3 years of genuine IT experience and maximum 6 years of experience.
3. Candidates must have experience working with one of the top IT companies in India in SEI CMM Level 5 environment.
4. Candidates who can provide verifiable project references in US will have an edge over others.
5. We are looking for technical capabilities in one or more of the following skills. Websphere / Weblogic / Java Struts / Swings / Servlets / JSP / EJB / XML / XSL / UML / Rational rose / Designs patterns.
6. Experience in server side development and web based projects in the J2EE environment is essential. 7. As you would be working with Fortune 500 companies onsite in US therefore we require excellent communication and inter-personal skills. Please feel free to recommend your friends or colleagues who meet the above job specifications as this is a very good opportunity. If you have a valid H1 visa and are willing to join at a short notice please contact immediately mentioning clearly in your mail. PS: Only shortlisted candidates will be notified and if placement consultants receive this mail kindly ignore it. Regards, Sonia Jain - Technical Recruiter Netsity Systems (P) Ltd. Delhi, INDIA Branch Offices --------------------- UNITED KINGDOM Mayfair House, 14-18 Heddon Street, Mayfair, London W1B 4DA Tel.: (0)870-334-0808 (9:00 AM - 2:00 PM only) Fax : (0)870-460-3278 -------- USA 20841 Ventura Blvd, Suite 489, Woodland Hills CA 91364 Tel.: 310-288 3433 Fax : 310-288 3435 -------- SINGAPORE Block 209, New Upper Changi Road, +ACM-03-631, Bedok Town Centre, Zip 460209 --------
soniya saxena
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Prerak, if u r really interested in making a career, now is not the right time to come to US. India is where u shud be. If it is abt making money at the cost of instability, then u shud come to US.
Angela D'souza
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I agreed with Sonia. IT market in India is booming right now. I heard Cisco going to invest 3.2 billion to start corporates in India. Also, Microsoft new pentium chips is going to be made in India. Nowadays Indian companies also pays good salary. You have 5 yrs of IT, then in Banglore you can get appx. 4-5 lacs.

Angela
Pradeep bhatt
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Nowadays Indian companies also pays good salary


30% tax+ 2% cess. Money goes to corrupt policitians.What is the IT tax in US?
soniya saxena
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pretty much same in California...

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


30% tax+ 2% cess. Money goes to corrupt policitians.What is the IT tax in US?
Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:
pretty much same in California...


Is following statement also true in California?
Money goes to corrupt policitians

JothiKumar Ekanath
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What is the average salary for 4+ years experienced java developers in US(Excluding tax)?
Pradeep bhatt
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Money goes to corrupt policitians

I dont think so. The money will be used for developmental purposes only.
JothiKumar Ekanath
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Hey perak

To go US

a.One should have a Valid visa,or a visa sponser to do that.The visa limit for 2005 has reached already and one has to wait till 2006,if u process on your own.

b.If you have valid visa,then search for good consultants to enter in US

c.If neither of the above search of companies (small or big) that has lot of onsite oppurtunities.


Guys, detailing on point 'c' please let us know companies that offers lot of onsite chances (preferably in Bangalore)
soniya saxena
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oops sorry
my statement was just regarding the tax percentage.

Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:

Is following statement also true in California?
Money goes to corrupt policitians

soniya saxena
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The company who files for his H1 will be responsible for having him enter the US. So there doesnt arise a question of him having his H1 sponsored by someone and then looking for good consultants to enter the US.

BTW Jothi, arent u a recruiter??

Originally posted by Jothi Kumar:
b.If you have valid visa,then search for good consultants to enter in US
Angela D'souza
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They make new rule to H1 people. People who want to come on H1 must have Bachelor's degree in appropriate field to get job.

Perak Patel, i don't want to discourage you. But i am trying to show you the reality. Market in US is picking up, but not booming like it was in 2000. Also, india is growing so fast. Anil ambani CEO of Relience said that next 20 yrs are very good for India.

Angela
[ January 12, 2005: Message edited by: Angela D'souza ]
Mike Gershman
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Based on other posts here, it's obvious that some programmers get an H1B visa, enter the US "on the shelf", and search for a paying job. I assume that some consulting company is the employer of record.


Mike Gershman
SCJP 1.4, SCWCD in process
Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by Angela D'souza:

Anil ambani CEO of Relience said that next 20 yrs are very good for India.
[ January 12, 2005: Message edited by: Angela D'souza ]


Everybody knows that nobody will question Anil after 20 years!!Let him solve his own family problems first!

Pradeep bhatt
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You have 5 yrs of IT, then in Banglore you can get appx. 4-5 lacs.


What is the use of 4-5 lacs. It is useless. One cannot but house ,car from that money. There is a real estate boom in Bangalore. Indians in US are buying flats in Bangalore at crazy price( 50 lacs.) It is all because of dollar power. People who are travelling to US frequeuntly are buying flats in the range of 30 lacs+.

This makes it difficult for poor people with 4-5 lacs to buy anything.Paying rent has become very difficult.

God save non IT people.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Based on other posts here, it's obvious that some programmers get an H1B visa, enter the US "on the shelf", and search for a paying job. I assume that some consulting company is the employer of record.


Consuting company is guilty.
soniya saxena
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The consulting company who sponsors the H1 for the programmer is his employer on record. On entering the US, the contract search begins and when finally when the programmer get his contract, there might be a few middle-men in between, but still the H1 sponsor is his employer on record. Whether the H1 sponsor pays the programmer till he gets a contract is where things begin to get dicey. In today's economy, the sponsor cannot afford to do so. But by not paying, they are breaking the law; or I dont know whether they have some way of justifying that. Note that many of these consulting companies are run by US citizens and are native Americans. So bottom line is H1Bs shouldnt be bashed bcuz of the way consulting companies work.

Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Based on other posts here, it's obvious that some programmers get an H1B visa, enter the US "on the shelf", and search for a paying job. I assume that some consulting company is the employer of record.
JothiKumar Ekanath
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:
The company who files for his H1 will be responsible for having him enter the US. So there doesnt arise a question of him having his H1 sponsored by someone and then looking for good consultants to enter the US.

BTW Jothi, arent u a recruiter??



Hi Soniya,
I am a Java Developer and seeking for going US.By the way if i have conveyed anything wrong,let me correct myself.

My question is how to find companies in US that sponsor for H1 and what we call that companies.Are they consultants or any Green card holders can do that?

And What is the average salary for 4+ year experienced java programmer.
JothiKumar Ekanath
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


What is the use of 4-5 lacs. It is useless. One cannot but house ,car from that money. There is a real estate boom in Bangalore. Indians in US are buying flats in Bangalore at crazy price( 50 lacs.) It is all because of dollar power. People who are travelling to US frequeuntly are buying flats in the range of 30 lacs+.

This makes it difficult for poor people with 4-5 lacs to buy anything.Paying rent has become very difficult.

God save non IT people.




Exactly pradeep,I strictly agree with u.This is the situation around now and thats why every software developer comes in the queue for going US.
Rajan Chinna
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b.If you have valid visa,then search for good consultants to enter in US


I notice sometimes recruiters look for candidates with H1B......

Is it possible to work for employer 'y' if ur H1B is with employer 'x'?
I wonder is this possible if the person didn't travel US before....

I hope someone will clear my doubt.
soniya saxena
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Hi Jothi:

I am a Java Developer and seeking for going US.
Sorry for the recruiter confusion. I mistook u for somebody else.

My question is how to find companies in US that sponsor for H1 and what we call that companies.Are they consultants or any Green card holders can do that?
Isnt that pretty simple. When i was in India, I used to watch out for ads in The Times Of India and thats how i found my break. These companies are called consulting companies/contracting companies/bodyshoppers. The best bet is to call them contracting companies.

And What is the average salary for 4+ year experienced java programmer.
I feel that as a beginner in the US, u will get a beginner contractor's wage which i guess wud be anywhere between 50k and 60k. If u r lucky, u wud probably get upto 70k. Also depends on which area u go to.
soniya saxena
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I notice sometimes recruiters look for candidates with H1B......

It is easier to do an H1 transfer than to file for a fresh H1. But I guess what they are looking for is to probably act as the middleman.


Is it possible to work for employer 'y' if ur H1B is with employer 'x'?

If ur H1B is with employer 'x', then u can only be on the payroll of 'x'. 'x' could ask u to work for 'y' where 'y' is a client of 'x', but u will still be paid by 'x'. if 'y' is a contracting company, 'y' cud again ask u to work for 'z', yet 'x' wud be the one who pays u.
soniya saxena
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As i said in my earlier post, if u want to make money at the cost of instability, if u r ok with no peace of mind on a daily basis, if u r ok with having nightmares of ur company not getting funding, then u shud come to the US. But dont expect to make a career. U have to be extremely lucky to make a career and make money as well here. In this economy, a majority of the people are just struggling to make money. They dont have the luxury to think abt a career.

Another option is to join a TCS or a WIPRO or a Satyam and have them send u on on-site opportunities. These companies have bagged decent size projects with companies like CISCO, HP. They will pay u less, but I guess they will atleast offer u stability. If the CISCO project gets over, they will put u on the HP project and so on and so forth.

Originally posted by Jothi Kumar:

Exactly pradeep,I strictly agree with u.This is the situation around now and thats why every software developer comes in the queue for going US.
Rajan Chinna
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It is easier to do an H1 transfer than to file for a fresh H1.


soniya thanks for your above comments.

I had never travel US before, i have H1B with company 'x' who offer me very less pay.... if company 'y' offers me more.....shall i ask company 'y' to do transfer....in the first case is that possible & legal?
JothiKumar Ekanath
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:

Another option is to join a TCS or a WIPRO or a Satyam and have them send u on on-site opportunities. These companies have bagged decent size projects with companies like CISCO, HP. They will pay u less, but I guess they will atleast offer u stability. If the CISCO project gets over, they will put u on the HP project and so on and so forth.




Soniya,Thanks for your great responses,really useful for us.I am just waiting for getting onsite oppurtunity from my current employer,meanwhile just finding out the other way around.

Thankyou very much
soniya saxena
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Nope its not possible to do that. To do an H1 transfer, u shud have worked in the US for company 'x' and u should be able to produce pay-slips from 'x' for the last(immediate) 2 months.

Originally posted by Rajan Chinna:


soniya thanks for your above comments.

I had never travel US before, i have H1B with company 'x' who offer me very less pay.... if company 'y' offers me more.....shall i ask company 'y' to do transfer....in the first case is that possible & legal?
soniya saxena
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Soniya,Thanks for your great responses,really useful for us.

Glad to be of help

I am just waiting for getting onsite oppurtunity from my current employer,meanwhile just finding out the other way around.
Under the current US economy, its much safer and stabler to come thru ur Indian employer thou it might mean less money.
Perak Patel
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Thanks to all for making this post useful...

A few questions from myside :-

Arjun - Can u please provide the email id of the job position that u have provided.

Soniya - As u said that the job market in US is not on the high, but i guess if i start hunting for a US job now , then do my visa processing through the company ....maybe it would take another 6 -10 months....so maybe it might just be enough....& my aim mainly is to make some money & return back by a year or two as i am much of a family loving person ....

Also i completely agree with Pradeep about whats the use of high pay in India when u would be able to buy a house , a car at the time of ur retirement ...???


Angela - Thanks to u too for ur comments ..Well i am a BE from MUMBAI university & i guess that would suffice the Degree crieria probed by consultants...

All in all i guess Ranchers in US can help their counterparts like me in India to make this find a reality...

Looking fwd. for more posts....
soniya saxena
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Arent housing loans a perk provided by most companies. I am guessing that companies wud offer low interest rates on these loans. Doesnt that work out?
soniya saxena
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Thanks to all for making this post useful...
Soniya - As u said that the job market in US is not on the high, but i guess if i start hunting for a US job now
I just want to make sure that you understand correctly. Getting a job in US which essentially means getting a job with a consulting company in US is not a big deal. The problem is finding a contract after u get here. Expect some delay. Will the consulting company pay you during this period. Will they give u an advance. If yes, will it be sufficient to cover ur expenses. To be on the safe side, u wud ideally have to carry a fair amount of money with u, so that u r able to pay for rent, food etc.

These kind of problems dont exist when u come thru TCS, Wipro etc bcuz they already have projects here which u will be working on.
Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


What is the use of 4-5 lacs. It is useless. One cannot but house ,car from that money. There is a real estate boom in Bangalore. Indians in US are buying flats in Bangalore at crazy price( 50 lacs.) It is all because of dollar power. People who are travelling to US frequeuntly are buying flats in the range of 30 lacs+.

This makes it difficult for poor people with 4-5 lacs to buy anything.Paying rent has become very difficult.

God save non IT people.


Exactly, and you know I can go on and on on this topic of house, it hurts so much!


BTW, 4-5 lac for a person with 5 years experience in Banglore is way too low!! I assume 6-7 to minimum and maximum upto 12 L/pa

- Manish
Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Angela D'souza:
They make new rule to H1 people. People who want to come on H1 must have Bachelor's degree in appropriate field to get job.


Is that true?
I have a friend who's flying to US next month on H1 and he has Bachelor's degree in Chemical Engineering.

- Manish
Perak Patel
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Originally posted by soniya saxena
The problem is finding a contract after u get here. Expect some delay. Will the consulting company pay you during this period. Will they give u an advance. If yes, will it be sufficient to cover ur expenses. To be on the safe side, u wud ideally have to carry a fair amount of money with u, so that u r able to pay for rent, food etc.


Soniya - So do u mean that the consulting company [CC] recruits people from India & around , with just future prospects coming up with some company ?
Also , is it that once recruited by the consulting company , the professional himself has to search for a company who will give him work ...or he would be sent to clients location by the CC .?

Also can we just formalise some of the questions to be asked before accepting an offer from CC ...I have got a few ...
1) Is Medical Insurance covered ?
2) Will the CC apply for Green Card processing ?
3) Will the CC sponsor spouse visa ?
4) Are there any Bond to be signed ?
5) What would be the visa status when i am on bench ? Will i be paid during this period ?
& maybe Who would be I working for ?

I think there would be pretty more of a checklist to be verified against before accepting an offer ...

Ranchers go on & add / comment on the above.

Thanks
Angela D'souza
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Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:


Is that true?
I have a friend who's flying to US next month on H1 and he has Bachelor's degree in Chemical Engineering.

- Manish


I heard this news last week. So this may be this rule will apply in new H1s.
Thank you,
Angela
soniya saxena
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I will answer these questions w.r.t. to the current economy.

1) Is Medical Insurance covered ?
In most cases, u may have to pay for it.

2) Will the CC apply for Green Card processing ?
Yes, but in most cases, u may have to pay for it.

3) Will the CC sponsor spouse visa ?
If they are paying for ur visa, then most likely they will pay for ur wife's too.

4) Are there any Bond to be signed ?
Sometimes yes, but nobody cares. Bonds are meant to be broken.

5) What would be the visa status when i am on bench ?
If u r paid on bench, there is absolutely no issue. ur visa status holds good.

6) Will i be paid during this period ?
Most likely, no.

7) & maybe Who would be I working for ?
In most cases, there is no way of knowing.

Contrary to what i said, if u get positive answers for these questions, then chances are that u r being paid less and/or the consulting company has a significant margin on ur rates.
[ January 17, 2005: Message edited by: soniya saxena ]
Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:

Is following statement also true in California?
Money goes to corrupt policitians



ever met a politician who wasn't corrupt?


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