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Getting a job in India without a degree

Sonny Gill
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Joined: Feb 02, 2002
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Hi All,

Hope some of ranchers from India can help me with this.

So, I am bitten by the 'should move to India' bug
There is a big problem though, I don't have a degree, which has always been a condition for getting a decent job back there. Has it changed at all in recent times?

(As an aside, the reason I don't have a degree is not because I was not smart enough to get into a university, but because I didn't believe much in university (class room) education. I have become somewhat more flexible in my beliefs now - Not all universities are equals, and not all degrees are equal. Wouldn't mind going to a good university and getting a degree, as long as I am really learning and not just getting a piece of paper.)

Very briefly, my profile is as follows -

Passed out of senior secondary (year 12) in 1992, with Physics, Chemistry and Maths (Non-med)
My first exposure to computer programming was in 1994, when I did a 6 month course in COBOL, decided it wasn't for me, and quit.
I left India around 1995, and was in Australia until 2000. During that time I was studying at a TAFE college for 2 years, and pursued some other interests I had for about 3 years.

Around the beginning of year 2000, I got interested in computers again, started to explore HTML, graphics, scripting etc. Some time later I moved back to India. I did a short course in C and found that I enjoyed programming. Since there were no good places teaching programming around where I was staying, I bought a few books on Java, taught myself how to program in Java, prepared for SCJP, and in January 2001 passed SCJP exam. I got a score of 100% in SCJP exam, if that matters. After that I was working in a couple of small New Delhi companies, basic J2EE, Servlets/JDBC/JSP.

For last 3 years or so, I have been living in Malaysia, and for more than a year now I have been working on a J2EE project, developing a large application for use by airlines. My contribution to this project has been significant, not only in coding, but also in getting some 'best practices' established at my work place, and in establishing better communication channels. I consider myself well skilled in core Java, J2EE, SDLC, very quick at learning new technologies, and passionate about improving my coding, and the programming processes that I follow.
From many computer science/technology degree holders that I have come across, at work and otherwise, I believe I can get the job done faster and better.

What do you reckon? What are my chances of landing a good job in India?
A place that meets the Joel Test would be satisfactory . If I decide to go ahead with this, I would want to make a move in 4-6 months, depending upon when my current employer can let me go.

Thanks,

Sonny
[ March 22, 2005: Message edited by: Sonny Gill ]

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Kj Reddy
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You are carrying very good experience with you. I feel you have good scope to get job in India. All companies may not accept 10+2 qualification, but definitely therere quite few companies which doenst see your qualification and give more importance to your experience and technical skills.

One of my friend did 10+2 and working as a project leader in one of the software firm in Kerala.

Good Luck
Arjunkumar Shastry
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Originally posted by Sonny Gill:

So, I am bitten by the 'should move to India' bug
There is a big problem though, I don't have a degree, which has always been a condition for getting a decent job back there. Has it changed at all in recent times?
[ March 22, 2005: Message edited by: Sonny Gill ]

Unfortunately answer is no.Many offshore,Indian software shops florished in country in last decade, many in hiring frenzy but most of the time they require some graduation,preferably computer science or other engineering or Msc.If people with that qualification and experience are not available(which rarely happens!)the next slot they look for are Arts/Commerce graduates.Most of the time there is no relation between your graduation work and actual job but companies want to show how much percentage of their staff have Master degree on pie chart in their annual report.


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Sonny Gill
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Thanks Jagdish. That is encouraging
Sonny Gill
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Thanks Arjun.

Well, not a degree, but I did complete an advanced diploma in CS some time ago here in Malaysia, I think it is similar in content and recognition to the British Higher National Diploma.

I dont think I learnt anything that I could not have learnt by myself otherwise, although to be fair, it gave me a chance to refresh my C programming and Relational Data Modelling concepts.
Kj Reddy
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As Arjun suggested better to have some degree. You can get job with your experience but its more difficult. So why dont you try to get some degree.
Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Arjunkumar Shastry:

Unfortunately answer is no.Many offshore,Indian software shops florished in country in last decade, many in hiring frenzy but most of the time they require some graduation,preferably computer science or other engineering or Msc.If people with that qualification and experience are not available(which rarely happens!)the next slot they look for are Arts/Commerce graduates.Most of the time there is no relation between your graduation work and actual job but companies want to show how much percentage of their staff have Master degree on pie chart in their annual report.


iow all they care about is a piece of paper so they can brag to customers overseas that they have 90% university grads...
Sounds similar to bodyshops all over the world, except in Europe and north America they're smart enough to know that experience is more important than a piece of paper by now.


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Sonny Gill
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Originally posted by Jagdish Reddy:
As Arjun suggested better to have some degree. You can get job with your experience but its more difficult. So why dont you try to get some degree.


I want to do a degree with (hopefully) strong focus on research in near future. But I have got a fairly satisfying, well paying job right now, and cant see myself quitting it to go and study full time. Ideally, I'd like to do it part time while working, but I am not terribly impressed with the standard of education here in Malaysia.
Sachin Dere
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Joined: Jan 14, 2003
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Hi sonny,
im in Malaysia myself and was contemplating on getting a Masters degree here sometime back.What do u think of the UK Universties here ex Nottingham University? or those colleges who are affiliated with UK Universities? i agree the malaysian Universities suck and would not recommend them.
Sonny Gill
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Hi Sachin,

I have no first hand knowledge of the Nottingham University campus here, but I have been told it is one of the better ones here, it may be worth checking out.

Personally, with the kind of fees you have to pay at these 'UK degree' places, I would much rather pay extra and go and do a degree at the actual university.
K Riaz
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Nottingham is a very good university (especially for Law). Tuition fees will increase next year from around �1000 to �3000 per year in the UK.
sangeeta kapoor
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Originally posted by Sonny Gill:


I want to do a degree with (hopefully) strong focus on research in near future. But I have got a fairly satisfying, well paying job right now, and cant see myself quitting it to go and study full time. Ideally, I'd like to do it part time while working, but I am not terribly impressed with the standard of education here in Malaysia.


Why don't you do a correspondence degree. I have seen lot of engineers doing MBA through correspondence after 3-4 yrs of experience in the industry. I doubt if u'll learn too much but atleast you'll have something to show to folks who say a minimum qualification is a must. If I am not wrong correspondence degree is considered for people with experience although pretty useless for freshers.
Sonny Gill
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Thanks for the suggestion, Sangeeta.
But I have no interest in getting just a piece of paper, might as well print it myself
I have done ok so far following my convictions, hopefully I can continue to do that.
Sonny Gill
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Thanks to everyone who replied.
I think I will be keeping a keen eye on how things are going on the job scene in India for next few months, and then decide whether I should move back.
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
 
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