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Ritu Talwalkar
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I have read many such discussions about this topic in this forum, but i still want to know more...so I hope, somebody helps me out. Well the situation is like this: I work for a good company in Pune and have 4+ yrs of Java/J2ee experience. However, my husband is opting to stay in Uk for a yr. His company has issued a work permit to him to do so. Now, i came to know that according to laws in UK, since my husband has WP, I am eligible to work in UK too. Is that right?

Secondly, how is the job market in UK? Especially around Birmingham? (Cause my husband would be working there) Will the job consulting agencies consider my eligibility? how much scope i have after 4+ yrs of java exp. How do i approach these agencies? does anybody know their counterparts in India so that i can apply from here and get the job before relocating to UK? For getting the job in UK, is it necessary to have some prior exp. in UK itself?

Any answer would really help me!
Thanks.
[ April 25, 2005: Message edited by: Ritu Talwalkar ]
Ritu Talwalkar
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Can anybody help me with this?
Jogi Poonawala
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I can answer your first question. You can work legally in UK because your husband has a work permit. Only thing you need to get a NI number for which your employer will issue you a letter once you find your employer.
I was in simillar situation. I was on work permit working at client's place. My client had a requirement matching my wife's skill set so he offered a job to her and we were working together in a project !! :-)
Mohd Ali Advani
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People go to any extent.
Ritu Talwalkar
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Only thing you need to get a NI number for which your employer will issue you a letter once you find your employer


From where can i get this NI number? what does it signify? shd i get it b4 applying for job there? who issues this number?
Prema Chakravarthy
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Ritu,
People on this forum have no obligation to respond. By responding when you need help, they are doing you a favor. I would pursue other avenues in stead of relying on this forum for help with such a serious matter.
Ritu Talwalkar
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Hi Prema,
I understand your concern. I am definately not going to rely on this forum, and have already started enquiring abt other authoriozed places who can give me this info. I have seen ppl asking so many question abt getting h1 visa, discussing contract terms in it and other serious matters in this forum. So persuing such a serious discussion is definately not harmful as long as u r not discussing very personal and confidential info.

I dont agree that when ppl r discussing something serious or answering questions, they r doing any favor on others. I beleive, this is a FRIENDLY place and ppl r helping each other and not doing favors! I felt as if i have offended somebody by asking such serious questions!!
[ April 27, 2005: Message edited by: Ritu Talwalkar ]
Tim Holloway
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The difference between English and languages such as Arabic is that we have explicit vowel characters and their use isn't considered optional unless you're "texting".

Support I18N. Please observe the local language conventions!


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Rashmi Tambe
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Originally posted by Tim Holloway:
The difference between English and languages such as Arabic is that we have explicit vowel characters and their use isn't considered optional unless you're "texting".

Support I18N. Please observe the local language conventions!


How is this related to the original discussion???
Sonny Gill
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Originally posted by Rashmi Tambe:


How is this related to the original discussion???


bcoz sm psts in th orgnl discussion r usng mny abrv tht r discouraged on this forum.


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Jogi Poonawala
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Originally posted by Ritu Talwalkar:


From where can i get this NI number? what does it signify? shd i get it b4 applying for job there? who issues this number?


You can get answers to your NI related questions here

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/lifeevent/benefits/ni_number.asp
Ritu Talwalkar
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Originally posted by Jogi Poonawala:


You can get answers to your NI related questions here

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/lifeevent/benefits/ni_number.asp


Hey, thanks Jogi!
By the way, can you tell me hows the job market there? how much scope i have after 4+ yrs of java exp. For getting the job in UK, is it necessary to have some prior exp. in UK itself?

Can anybody give a general idea of job market there?
Varma dandu
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Originally posted by Ritu Talwalkar:


Hey, thanks Jogi!
By the way, can you tell me hows the job market there? how much scope i have after 4+ yrs of java exp. For getting the job in UK, is it necessary to have some prior exp. in UK itself?

Can anybody give a general idea of job market there?


Ritu,

You will have a very good chance of getting a job here..

here the market is good for J2EE.

By the way how long is ur husband workpermit valid?

Good luck,
Varma Dandu.
Ahamed Ali
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hi Ritu,

The job market is not good in UK. I have 3+ years experience in Java/J2EE in India and Germany but still not getting a job.

very bad things are here, apply jobs with agencies and these people are really dont know how to recruit and how to talk with applicants.

If any one know better idia how to apply job and get a job, that would be nice to here.

Finally my suggetion is for you, dont try a job in UK, better go to US or stay in India.

Thats for the day


Ahamed
K Riaz
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Originally posted by Ahamed Ali:
hi Ritu,

The job market is not good in UK. I have 3+ years experience in Java/J2EE in India and Germany but still not getting a job.

very bad things are here, apply jobs with agencies and these people are really dont know how to recruit and how to talk with applicants.

If any one know better idia how to apply job and get a job, that would be nice to here.

Finally my suggetion is for you, dont try a job in UK, better go to US or stay in India.

Thats for the day


Ahamed


No offence, but your English does not seem to be strong at all. In the UK, employers look for well spoken people who can present themselves well, you are already at a disadvantage even before you try to sell your Java skills. I wouldn't be surprised if your CV had errors too. You say that agencies do not know how to talk to candidates, could it be that they have become frustrated with your English and thus unresponsive? They deal with lots of people and would immediately be put off by poor communicators when they have a large pool of other able applicants. They need to put the best people forward to increase the chances of the client accepting the applicant so they can make some money.

P.S. The market is doing well in the city.
[ May 08, 2005: Message edited by: Kashif Riaz ]
peter wooster
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Originally posted by Kashif Riaz:
No offence, but your English does not seem to be strong at all. In the UK, employers look for well spoken people who can present themselves well, you are already at a disadvantage even before you try to sell your Java skills.


How true, the English are very particular about your manner of speaking, after all it is THEIR language that we colonials abuse so badly. Canadians, Americans, the Irish, Scots and sometimes some English such as the Cornish can give the RP folk a heart attack by simply opening their mouths.

If you want to succeed in England, you should learn to speak like you attended OxBridge and were born into the upper classes, or at least read Pygmalion.
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Originally posted by peter wooster:

If you want to succeed in England, you should learn to speak like you attended OxBridge and were born into the upper classes, or at least read Pygmalion.


Or you could just make some friends, who are english. You could probably learn more in one night at a pub than months working with someone.

Some of the language can make me blush, and I'm from Brooklyn...

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Ahamed Ali
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Hi Riaz,

I am not a english born to speak like english people, and how can you say that my english is poor. If you feel like that, and anyhow a java programmer dont need much communication skills than consultant or business analyst. So dont say like all fool words RIAZ. Just think before what do you want say and how to give answer

Need to have skiils on technical things not in communication skills, so just put these words in your mind.

Ahamed
K Riaz
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I didn't understand what was written in the previous post, so I will just offer some brief feedback on what I did understand.

Originally posted by Ahamed Ali:
how can you say that my english is poor.


I make a judgement from what I read in your previous posts. Having found numerous errors in your language style (if I am honest, I would say its awful), I merely concluded that your English was not strong to satisfy the needs of British employers, hence the reason why you had found it difficult to secure employment rather than pushing the blame away. Unfortunately, you fit the sterotype as a person with strong development skills from an asian country with poor knowledge of the English language. This is how the British will view it. Ask yourself why, when the market is strong in the UK (particularly for experienced J2EE Developers), how you have not managed to secure a position? Most English speaking people who have read your previous posts would agree that your English is not good at all.

Originally posted by Ahamed Ali:
and anyhow a java programmer dont need much communication skills than consultant or business analyst.


This is a strange assumption and shows a hint of arrogance of the British way of life. I don't know how it works in countries such as India, but we do things a little differently here. Software Developers need to be incredibly strong communicators, which is why employers go to great lengths to find the right people. You would probably be working with people from many different levels (including directly with clients), and being a raw "coder" would not suffice at all (well, not from the places where I have had experiences at). I assume that you have not ever worked in the UK, so you cannot make any judgements until you have gained some sort of exposure here.

Originally posted by Ahamed Ali:
Need to have skiils on technical things not in communication skills, so just put these words in your mind.


I sense a growing feeling of ignorance from your posts. If you think this, I think your job hunting in the UK will be a long and hard one.

Your views are imprecise and incomplete, and it looks like you have learned the hard way, but you're still in denial.
[ May 08, 2005: Message edited by: Kashif Riaz ]
Sathvathsan Sampath
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by Kashif Riaz
This is a strange assumption and shows a hint of arrogance of the British way of life. I don't know how it works in countries such as India, but we do things a little differently here.


In Bangalore, many companies stress on developers having strong communication skills especially the higher experienced ones. This seems to hold true for the companies I worked for (and currently working) at Bangalore. The lead developer, architect, development manager are capable of explaining technology clearly & lucidly to non-technical and technical users across line functions.
Even developers, the ones being an individual contributor need to be able to communicate clearly when expressing their designs/ideas. Investing in communications as a skill is worth it and bound to stay with years to come irrespective of changing technology. World-class developers often seem to have the trait as strong and effective communicators.


- Sathvathsan Sampath
Ritu Talwalkar
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Originally posted by Kashif Riaz:

P.S. The market is doing well in the city.

This feels good. :-) Can you tell me if the market is good in big cities only. I mean, do I stand a chance of a good job near smaller cities like Birmingham? (I am not even sure if Birmingham is small.) If I submit my resume from India to the job aganecies in UK, will they consider my eligibility? Or do I have to do when I reach/relocate to UK?

And yes, I totally agree with you Kashif! Better communication skills are must for any job and in any country. In India, English is not the first language. However, during the interview, the communication skills do have higher preference over knowledge. If the person cannot explain his knowledge/skills well, then having that knowledge is not useful. So a good communication is a must.

Thanks for the information.
[ May 09, 2005: Message edited by: Ritu Talwalkar ]
Mohd Ali Advani
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Generally Indian or Pakistani immigrants who have terrific obsession for going to UK are ready to work in Indian or Pakistani resturants or Indian,Pakistani stores at cheaper rate than market.They accumulate some wealth at the same time hunting for job.You may consider that option in worst case scanario.
Ritu Talwalkar
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Originally posted by Dipak Mahbubani:
Generally Indian or Pakistani immigrants who have terrific obsession for going to UK are ready to work in Indian or Pakistani resturants or Indian,Pakistani stores at cheaper rate than market.They accumulate some wealth at the same time hunting for job.You may consider that option in worst case scanario.


Thanks for the advice Dipak, but I am not obsessed with going to UK or any other country for that matter. I have a steady and challenging job here in India. However, I need to relocate to UK, as my husband is going to work there for some time period. Consequently, I need to find a job there�
ab parashar
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Originally posted by Dipak Mahbubani:
Generally Indian or Pakistani immigrants who have terrific obsession for going to UK are ready to work in Indian or Pakistani resturants or Indian,Pakistani stores at cheaper rate than market.They accumulate some wealth at the same time hunting for job.You may consider that option in worst case scanario.
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Mr Dipak,
Please do not equate indian/pakistani immgrants with the software guys from India.India software engineers get paid a very high salary in India and enjoy a relatively high standard of living,a stable career path and growth.Oppertunities in technology in India are abundant and most of the people I know tend to fly back on completion of their project rather than take up any employment here.

While you might have meant to put this up as a career guidance,I think it hardly qualifies as one.I strongly suggest that doing such things for short term monetary benefits could greatly affect one's long term career.
Suman Sarker
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Hi AB,
India software engineers get paid a very high salary in India and enjoy a relatively high standard of living,a stable career path and growth.Oppertunities in technology in India are abundant and most of the people I know tend to fly back on completion of their project rather than take up any employment here.


I quite agree with you on the fact that IT jobs in India are in abundance but I have noticed it too many times in this forum that many indian software engineers are so eager to avail themselves of "onsite" opportunities. In fact, I have found many of them judging one comapany better than the other just because the former provides onsite opportunities. I really do not understand why they think "onsite" opportunity as a deciding factor for joinning (or switching to) a company when they have a "stable career path" in India.


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Angela Poynton
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Guys this has been a really interesting discussion, but just a little warning to try and keep it friendly and constructive OK?

Ritu, just so you know, Birmingham is quite a large city indeed, I expect you'll find there are lots of opportunities there although MOST opportunities are in London, a lot of companies have moved to Birmingham and Manchester recently so the work is moving there too. Good Luck.


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Don Stadler
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Angela, I live and work in the UK and have been actively in the job market for the past week (and much time before that). Birmingham is a very large city (UK's 4th largest) without much of a visible IT market. At least in the sources I use it hasn't.

I would recommend that people looking for IT jobs 'near' Birmingham have a look at Telford, about 30 miles west. It's not a great place to live (I'm working there now) but it does have a large Cap Gemini office which needs people, and soon EDS will be moving in as well.

London and the Southeast is dominant, with Leeds, Newcastle, and Edinburgh are notable IT markets. Glasgow has of back-office jobs for the finance industry. A surprising amount of IT work is located near Bristol and in the area near Newbury and Swindon.
Sameer Amte
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Hi Ritu,
You can also try for opportunities in London. A few people from my London Office travel from Birmingham. It costs �500-650 per month. It takes about 1.5 hours.
Ritu Talwalkar
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Originally posted by Sameer Amte:
Hi Ritu,
You can also try for opportunities in London. A few people from my London Office travel from Birmingham. It costs �500-650 per month. It takes about 1.5 hours.



Hey, thanks for that reply Sameer.
I am looking for all possible options, but i still feel Birmingham would be a better place to start as I am going to be new there. So I am not sure if travelling is managable initially. Do you have any idea about the job market at 'Solihull'? this place is near to Birmingham (abt 20 mins from there). We are going to stay at this place most probably.
Roger Chung-Wee
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Hmm, Solihull is a rather expensive place to live ...

Check out http://www.jobserve.co.uk/.


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Sandeep Ghosh
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I really do not understand why they think "onsite" opportunity as a deciding factor for joinning (or switching to) a company when they have a "stable career path" in India.

People in India are interested to go onsite for meeting different peoples, cultures, adding a point in their resume and earning a little bit more never do harm ( you get extra allowance over and above your salary). I have not seen anybody yet who stayed back after completion of their projects.
My personal opinion.
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