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dema rogatkin
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Moderators of this forums seems to deaf to opinions not matching to their own and remove such posts without any note. It's very disappointing. I expected more respect to members of forum. I do not want to stay here after, so please finish your dirty job and remove me as a member too.


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Bear Bibeault
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Please discuss any issues with forum moderation or policies in the JavaRanch forum. I'll move this topic there for you.


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Bear Bibeault
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Originally posted by dema rogatkin:
and remove such posts without any note.


If you read my last reply to the topic in question you will see that I did indeed indicate that I was cleaning up the topic and moving it to a more appropriate forum.

There was no difference of opinion (in my opinion), but rather a divergence from the subject of the
topic that was rapidly heading towards "not nice".

I'm sorry you found this upsetting, but more than one poster noted that the thread was being hi-jacked, so I removed the side issues.
[ June 01, 2006: Message edited by: Bear Bibeault ]
dema rogatkin
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It's exactly my point. Any discussion with moderators is considering as hi jacking or something like that. Position of moderators is very arrogant to other members. I consider it's very useful if any topic is digging a bit around to give a better overview of a problem. It can be helpful to avoid a creation of a bunch of similar topics. Members can do just a search to find an answer.
Bear Bibeault
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Originally posted by dema rogatkin:
Any discussion with moderators is considering as hi jacking or something like that.


Actually, I didn't decide to trim the thread until other contributors (non-moderators) remarked on the hi-jacking. If you want to have a disucssion with a moderator, please be assured that we are all ears. But please do so either via PM or email, or in this fourm so as not to disrupt the questions of other participants.
[ June 01, 2006: Message edited by: Bear Bibeault ]
Jim Yingst
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Alternately, if you want to discuss something that is about Java but doesn't really tie in with the original point of a thread, feel free to simply start a new thread about your topicc in the appropriate Java forum. We want to be able to address the original topic of a thread without it being taken over by unrelated or vaguely-related concerns.

Note that I haven't seen the original thread you're talking about here, so I may be completely off-base here. But I've seen this happen often enough - you may have a valid new topic to talk about, but that doesn't always mean that it should be posted in the same thread that made you think about it. Starting a new topic means you get to define what the subject area is. If you post in an exsting thread, you need to consider the needs of the other people who posted before you. Hope that helps...


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Jeroen T Wenting
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Forum ethics all over the internet say you shouldn't hijack threads.
They also say that moderators are there to enforce forum ethics.

Putting two and two together you'll see that moderators are there to (among other things) do something about hijacked threads.


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Christophe Verré
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It's quite easy to deviate from one topic to another. A question brings another one, and so on.
As long as the original poster is still in the discussion, this might not be an issue.
But if the original poster is already gone, happy with the answer he's already got, the discussion should be over.
It's our responsability to start a new thread, and it's the moderator's responsability to close a wandering thread.
I haven't seen the original thread either, but I've never seen a thread being closed without reason.


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paul wheaton
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First, I wish to make it clear that I am responsible for all deleted posts. I set the guidelines. I own the site. I choose what I publish.

I am grateful beyond words for the help of generous souls like Bear and Jim, who take time out of their busy schedules to stop in, help some people and help me out a little too by keeping the peace. After all, it would be imposssible for me to do the work of all of the volunteers at JavaRanch.

I don't expect any of the volunteers to be perfect. And yet I have not come across a single case where either of these gentlemen have failed me. In fact, try as I might, I cannot recall a case where any of the volunteer staff have done anything where I felt like saying "oops! I wish that hadn't happened." I can think of many cases where these good people have come up with stuff much better than I would have come up with and all I can say is "Damn! These people make me look good!"

Any discussion with moderators is considering as hi jacking or something like that.


That's a pretty ugly accusation against some people that I think are really good people. Do you have an example?

Position of moderators is very arrogant to other members.


Comes with authority. Of course, my experience so far is that the staff deletes stuff that I think they should delete. I can also see how somebody posting inappropriate stuff that gets deleted would be upset about their stuff getting deleted.


Moderators of this forums seems to deaf to opinions not matching to their own and remove such posts without any note.


Another ugly accusation. Again, give me some examples.

I expected more respect to members of forum.


Another ugly accusation. Examples?

I do not want to stay here after, so please finish your dirty job and remove me as a member too.


Oh! Well! That was certainly easy! If you're gone, we don't have anything more to discuss! I think I'll go and eat some pie!


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