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Accenture revoked offer

Rajiv Singla
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I have been a silent member of this forum since long.
I got an offer for Accenture a few days back and now they called me to tell me that my offer stands revoked. I have already resigned from my current company, so I am effectively job less now.
The reason they have specified is that they were expecting a few projects which they didn't and they'd consider me in future.
Is there anything I do about this or should I just forget about the whole thing and look for another job.
On the one hand they publish reports in newspapers that they are going in for mass recruitments and on the other hand the are revoking existing offers. This is extremely surprising.
Anjali S Sharma
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There is definetely something wrong with Accenture. I cleared the Accenture interview almost a month ago and they told me they will be making an offer in 2 days. One month has passed and I am still to hear from them. When I called them they told me its still in process.
I dont know what that process is that takes so long. They also don't bother to reply to your mails.
I have lost all hope of getting an offer from them and restarted my job hunt.
Dharam Singh
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It seems like offshore partying is on decline.


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Manish Hatwalne
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See I told you guys about this in another thread. I suggest irrespective of what Accenture decides now about your offer, you look for another good company. Fortunately, market is not bad. Good luck!!!

- Manish
Rahul Shyam
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Joined: Jul 15, 2005
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Originally posted by Sampige Malleswaram:
It seems like offshore partying is on decline.


Whatever goes up must come down.
One of my friend's was placed from Campus by Quark. She was supposed to join in May05. Later she received a letter that it was deffered till Aug, 05 and now they say it has been revoked. 10 people from the same class were placed and all of them have met the same fate.
Anjali S Sharma
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Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:
See I told you guys about this in another thread. I suggest irrespective of what Accenture decides now about your offer, you look for another good company. Fortunately, market is not bad. Good luck!!!

- Manish


Not getting an offer is much better than getting an offer which is later revoked. The latter can make you job less as one resigns after getting an offer.
Atleast I have my old job with me.

Can you please suggest some good companies in India, who don't behave in this manner.
Ulf Dittmer
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Not getting an offer is much better than getting an offer which is later revoked. The latter can make you job less as one resigns after getting an offer.


I find this interesting. In certain jurisdictions I am familiar with (Europe, USA), an offer letter does not constitute a legally binding document. Resigning from your old job on the basis of one would be very risky, so it generally isn't done. Only once you have a contract signed by the company would you resign. Is this different in India, or where you guys are based?


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Arjunkumar Shastry
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I think they are based in India.I doubt whether laws can protect people in such situation.Thats why people don't resign from current employer until they get offer letter (with date of joining mentioned) from new employer.I think his current employer won't mind if he stays back.
Rajiv,how much notice period did you ask before joining Accenture? Companies generally allow one month.If people ask for more period,companies search for those who are willing to join immediately.
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Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Anjali S Sharma:


Not getting an offer is much better than getting an offer which is later revoked. The latter can make you job less as one resigns after getting an offer.
Atleast I have my old job with me.

Can you please suggest some good companies in India, who don't behave in this manner.


I think that's why one as to be very cautious when it comes to companies like Accenture -- that's why I suggested to avoid this company in another thread.

As for god ethics based companies in India, it's too big a country to name that way. If you narrow down on an area (Banglore-Hyd, Mumbai-Pune NCR-Noida etc), one of the all time ethics based companies is of course Infy. However note that I am not commenting on work there and individual experiences may differ -- and it is possible that one may suffer even there. but generally speaking -- Infy has some class/ethics. Other good companies include PSPL, Veritas here in Pune.

BTW, there's defnitely no such provision here in India. Companies are even reluctant to give you written offer letter unless they are sure that you're joining. But then offer letter is not bindng, as for contract you only sign NDA and few other papers which is usually happens on first day of joining. The contract is usually for consultants/contractors here. Offer they can revoke -- it happened with me in 2001, a Banglore based company revoked my offer when I had quit my job -- I had to come back and accept lower salary Job for next 1-2 years during IT slowdown.

- Manish
Rajiv Singla
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Originally posted by Arjunkumar Shastry:

Rajiv,how much notice period did you ask before joining Accenture? Companies generally allow one month.If people ask for more period,companies search for those who are willing to join immediately.

[ August 01, 2005: Message edited by: Arjunkumar Shastry ]


I asked for a months time from Accenture. They tried to negotiate to 3 weeks but agreed to 1 month in the end.
Anjali S Sharma
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Originally posted by Rajiv Singla:

I asked for a months time from Accenture. They tried to negotiate to 3 weeks but agreed to 1 month in the end.


A lot of companies in India have serious problems in understanding that one needs to give atleast 1 month's notice to one's employers.
Last week I got a call from Polaris and they said that my resume will make past the screeening only if I agree to join in 1 week's time. I refused and I was rejected without an interview.
I have read a lot about companies complaining that employees have no ethics , infact there was one GE thread in this forum with the same message a few days ago, that all may very well be true but most of the companies are not much better either.
Jesus Angeles
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never compromise your security.

the fact that accenture is able to revoke the offer means, you two(you and accenture) is not in a binding contract.

remember that, law sees us and employer on equal level. we as just as powerful as the companies, in the eyes of the law. we both follow law. if they violate, then you can sue.

try to read the paper that you have. and better yet, consult a lawyer about that document.

i was pirated before by a company. i already signed for another company when i was pirated. i asked a judge(better than lawyer!!) to see the contract, and he said it is not binding.

but i was going overseas for that other job that pirated me, and i dont want any legal headache, so i went ahead pay the penalty...and guess what, i told my new company to carry that penalty, as part of that pirating deal....=)
Mike Gershman
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Ulf said:
In certain jurisdictions I am familiar with (Europe, USA), an offer letter does not constitute a legally binding document. Resigning from your old job on the basis of one would be very risky, so it generally isn't done. Only once you have a contract signed by the company would you resign.

Programmers in the US don't get contracts unless they are consultants and even these contracts can be terminated early.

Rajiv's sad experience happens everywhere. When the order comes to cut back on the payroll, new hires and people who haven't started yet are the first to go. After all, these people have no track record at the company and have done nothing yet to earn extra consideration.

On the other side, how many programmers would turn down a big raise in salary and maybe an on-site assignment because their existing project has six more months to go?

I have often seen people who already had a schduled start date at my company accept a better offer and ask if we wanted to offer even more money. I even had a Y2K consultant quit his contract two months before 1/1/2000 because he got a better offer.

So the free market cuts both ways.


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Jesus Angeles
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for contract positions, i do understand that everything is clear, ...the contract includes termination clauses...

i guess mike what you mentioned is regular positions? in usa, a regular employee can get laid off anytime for any reason? there are no government laws protecting the regular employee? or they are given compensation, or severance pay?
Mike Gershman
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Jesus Angeles said:
in usa, a regular employee can get laid off anytime for any reason?

Yes, that is the law. It is called the "employee at will doctrine".
Ali Hussain
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in usa, a regular employee can get laid off anytime for any reason?

In Scandinavia they have to tell us 1-3 months (in most cases) in advance AND they have to come up with a VERY good reason to fire us, otherwise they can't hire any one else to fill in the same position. But ofcourse there might be some exceptions especially in case of Accenture (they have the same reputation here...unstable working place).

[ August 02, 2005: Message edited by: Shahid Afridi ]
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Jesus Angeles
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in philippines too, i believe, they have to have a valid reason to layoff a regular employee
Pradeep bhatt
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Accenture is hiring people this week end.


Groovy
Arjunkumar Shastry
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HP is also hiring.
IBM India has put big hoarding on Bannerghatta road.It shows one white color limousine with driver requesting "Get on board" Below its written:
"c#,J2EE,Websphere,Mainframe etc etc" Send the resumes to work@in.ibm.com(or similar to this).

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Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Pradip Bhat:
Accenture is hiring people this week end.


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Tim Holloway
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Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Jesus Angeles said:

Yes, that is the law. It is called the "employee at will doctrine".


More or less. Plant closings and other mass layoffs require something like 60 days notice these days. And, of course, there's peril on discharging anyone who can claim any sort of minority status (I even know one person who sucessfully claimed discrimination on the basis of having had Irish grandparents).

But overall, employers hold the cards in the US.


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Shikha Sarna
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Joined: Aug 01, 2005
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Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:
See I told you guys about this in another thread. I suggest irrespective of what Accenture decides now about your offer, you look for another good company. Fortunately, market is not bad. Good luck!!!

- Manish


I have never heard anyone say anything positive about Accenture. But it's a company with 100,000 people working for them and revenues of over $13 Billion.
How did they manage to grow so big if they are so unprofessional?
May be someone who is working or has worked for Accenture could comment. Is it really as bad as everyone says?
[ August 02, 2005: Message edited by: Shikha Sarna ]
Dharam Singh
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If employer acts as per our will then he is a good employer.If he acts according to market forces then he is bad.
Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Shikha Sarna:


I have never heard anyone say anything positive about Accenture. But it's a company with 100,000 people working for them and revenues of over $13 Billion.
How did they manage to grow so big if they are so unprofessional?
May be someone who is working or has worked for Accenture could comment. Is it really as bad as everyone says?

[ August 02, 2005: Message edited by: Shikha Sarna ]


Accenture was offering straight 30% more than your CTC when they entered here, and that itself could be a big factor.

Big companies have their own inherent advantages, I just told my opinion.

- Manish
 
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