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Join IBM or Stay back with HCL

shankar narayanan
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Joined: Aug 15, 2005
Posts: 18
Hi friends,
This is my first post to the forum and I am in need of some critical advice from you all.

I have around 7 years of experience in Java/J2ee and I got an offer from IBM bangalore (Project Lead) recently. I am currently working in HCL, Chennai (as PL). Following are some of the points that makes me think hard before accepting this IBM offer.

1)Though IBM is a brand name, I am hearing that the growth rate is not too high there. Probably, I'll stay as a PL for the next 3 years regardless of performance at IBM. But HCL will make me a PM by middle of next year.

2) The salary promised at IBM is 8.9 lacs pa. And I am currently getting 6.2 lacs at HCL. Although this is a strong enough reason to opt for IBM, I really cant think salary as the only item to make career decisions. Am I right in thinking so? Or am I impractical?

3)I am recognized as a star performer at HCL in the recent annual appraisal and I will be put under the "fast track" career growth process. Can anyone let me know how IBM recognizes their employees performances?

Any comments highly appreciated.

Regards,
Shankar
Mark Herschberg
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"shankar_123",

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shankar narayanan
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Joined: Aug 15, 2005
Posts: 18
I apologize. Updated my profile now.

Regards,
Shankar
Raymond Villeno
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Joined: Jun 21, 2005
Posts: 63
I think it will really depend on the person and to where he wants to take his career, and most of all the motivation of the person if he is either motivated by money or he is more motivated by a fast track career. For me I would rather go to the company where I am sure that I would have a fast development and my career development wouldn't be to slow for in evry promotion would mean more responsibility which means more new things and stuffs to learn, rather that go to a certain company that has a high salary but my career wouldn't be that fast to progress.



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Mohan Karthick
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Joined: Apr 11, 2005
Posts: 199
I think you can prefer to stay back at HCL, don't go only for salary , soon you will be a Manager. In IBM there would be a long queue a suddenly u feel that you lost in sea of people, in other word i want to say you need to do a hardwork for three years then only you will be Manager.

You can talk to senior or HR, and ask for counter, saying that you are under pay or wait for another six month, I believe HCL can pay this much.

And another did you really check up the take home amount from HCL and IBM, gross may seems to be more but take home matters, when your salary increase your tax also increase so your effective incr will be 6-10k only.

You can prefer IBM if they offer manager post.
Kj Reddy
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Joined: Sep 20, 2003
Posts: 1704
I suggest you stay in HCL and get pramoted. If you change company either IBM or any other company it will take atleast 3 to 4 years to get pramoted.

Regarding salary you can talk with your managers. Stay atleast 1 year after becoming PM and if you dont find any improvement in salary they you can change the company as a PM.
shankar narayanan
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Joined: Aug 15, 2005
Posts: 18
I wish to thank you all for responding. I have discussed this with my HCL senior management and they appear genuinely shocked. It was a very difficult situation to handle as they were hinting that I have betrayed them. I am being promised a reasonable pay hike (around 10%) and a PM promotion some time next year.

But the IBM brand is too tempting and the effort I spent in clearing their energy sapping interview sessions make me feel like an idiot unable to take a decision now. I am still fighting a fierce mental battle, caught between these two.

How did you guys handle a job change mentally? Basically, how did you convince yourself about a change when your current position is not too bad?

Regards,
Shankar
Sachin Mehra
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Joined: Jan 07, 2005
Posts: 77
Originally posted by shankar_123:
Hi friends,
This is my first post to the forum and I am in need of some critical advice from you all.

I have around 7 years of experience in Java/J2ee and I got an offer from IBM bangalore (Project Lead) recently. I am currently working in HCL, Chennai (as PL). Following are some of the points that makes me think hard before accepting this IBM offer.

1)Though IBM is a brand name, I am hearing that the growth rate is not too high there. Probably, I'll stay as a PL for the next 3 years regardless of performance at IBM. But HCL will make me a PM by middle of next year.

2) The salary promised at IBM is 8.9 lacs pa. And I am currently getting 6.2 lacs at HCL. Although this is a strong enough reason to opt for IBM, I really cant think salary as the only item to make career decisions. Am I right in thinking so? Or am I impractical?

3)I am recognized as a star performer at HCL in the recent annual appraisal and I will be put under the "fast track" career growth process. Can anyone let me know how IBM recognizes their employees performances?

Any comments highly appreciated.

Regards,
Shankar


Shankar,

I am not sure why are you limiting yourself to these 2 companies only. I guess you are thinking in terms of PM/Salary only. You have not mentioned in your post the reason to leave HCL. If you are satisfied with your work/growth then i think you can continue for 1 year till you get the PM role.

But if there is something in HCL, that is causing problems, you can look at some more companies. Perhaps you may find both role and salary.

My 2 cents.
Kj Reddy
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Joined: Sep 20, 2003
Posts: 1704
Originally posted by shankar narayanan:

How did you guys handle a job change mentally? Basically, how did you convince yourself about a change when your current position is not too bad?


If you work in a company over period of time(min 1 year) you will start building up mental emotional relationship with your collegues. So its become difficult to leave that organization until unless there are strong reasons. But when you are looking for your career development you may need to leave the current organization. So when you decided to change the company just look positive about your career development. When you dont have reasons why you want to leave the current employer just ignore the offers you got. When you are technically and communicationwise strong you always get offers whenever you attend the interviews.

Hope it is helpful to you,
shankar narayanan
Greenhorn

Joined: Aug 15, 2005
Posts: 18
Thanks very much. It is indeed helpful.

Regards,
Shankar
Victor Banerjee
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Joined: May 30, 2005
Posts: 88
I think its an interesting discussion you have started here. The dilemma if I put it technically is this -

1. When you work in a company at senior level (Pl/PM) you invest a lot of your efforts / time. Consider this as an investment of X amount.

2. You expect immediate returns of Y amount in terms of Sal rise / promotion / bonus / rewards etc. This is very easy to measure.

3. Now comes the tricky part. There is another intangible return which you expect due to the relationships you develop in the company and the credibility you build.

Now the point 3 is what actually stops you from leaving your current company since Point 2 is covered by the hike you get when joining a new company. Since Point 3 is not measurable, it is very difficult to take a decision. Point 3 depends on lot of other parameters like Market forces, Company growth, Growth of your immediate (L+2) supervisors, your project status, etc etc. All of these are external factors beyond your control. Then how does one take a decision ? Irrespective of which decision you take, you can never be sure if it was a right one.
Kj Reddy
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Joined: Sep 20, 2003
Posts: 1704
In simple words you can get money by changing companys. But its not so easier to get the required designation. So stay back in HCL still you become PM and gain some experience as PM.
shankar narayanan
Greenhorn

Joined: Aug 15, 2005
Posts: 18
Point no 3, as mentioned by Victor, is most definitely the difficult one. (Another side issue is, most of my colleagues are getting "inspired" by my offer and they are quite serious now with their job search.)

Setting recognition and promotion aside, HCL is not a paymaster for sure and that causes a mass exodus now.

Anyway, as Mr.Reddy mentioned, I will try to get an assurance on my promotion and if it comes sooner, ie. as early as the first quarter of next year, I will probably stay back. AFA money is concerned, I am not exactly struggling to make ends meet with the current salary. So, its okay.

I think I am letting the heart win this time.
nithin nambiar
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Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Posts: 31
job change is never an easy decision to make as it involves a lot of parameters.
whatever i gathered from the discussion you dont seem to have a strong reason to change the present job.
it will be better if u stick to ur current job for some more time,bcos u seem to b having pretty good growth there.
money is not only important factor,infact other parameters like job satisfaction,growth(vetical as well as horizontal),work culture..etc are more important as far as iam concerned.
so first list down all the pros and cons and then arrive at a desision.
 
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