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Sanj Sharma
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All,

I have 2 years of experience in Java/J2ee in telecom domain and product development for CRM industry. I am working with a multi billion dollar company and did my BS from top indian college. All i wanted to know is that what is the probability of getting java/j2ee jobs for 2 years experienced professionals? And how can i get there? any consultants who provide H1B?
Dharam Singh
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that what is the probability of getting java/j2ee jobs for 2 years experienced professionals
1/1,0000.
Eric will explain you this further.


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David O'Meara
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"Ramp",
It appears that your display name was originally "Girish Sharma", which was a valid display name, and is now "Ramp", which is not.

Accounts with invalid display names get geted, often without warning. Please change it back immediately.

thanks,
Dave.
K Riaz
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Originally posted by Ramp:
any consultants who provide H1B?


H1B is software slavery.
Sania Marsh
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Ramp,

with growth of IT in India,
I think you should stay there. Many of my indian friends are going back. 4 have already leaft. Close to family, making good money.. Do you want to exchange that to being underpaid, having worse benefits and depending on your H1 provider (who are most of the time, softly speaking, "not very nice people")? It is very rare that H1 holders get green cards..
Amit Saini
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K Riaz,
No one asked your opinion about what H1-B should be and what it should not be.
Don't hijack the original thread with your biased views.

The guy merely wishes to know the possibility of having an H1-B with his experience. If you can answer something relevant to that, its appreciated. If not, better to keep quiet. You can start a seperate thread in "Meaningless Drivel" if you'd like.

Ramp->Theres no shortage in the USA for people with Java skills given the number of people graduating with a Computer Science degree every year. Ofcourse, there are consultants who would put some fake experience (4-5 years) on your resume and market it to bigger companies. You don't want to get into all that. The best way for you to come to USA is for higher education (like a MS or a MBA/MIS).

Good luck,
AMit
Eric Lemaitre
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Hi Sampige Malleswaram !

that what is the probability of getting java/j2ee jobs for 2 years experienced professionals
1/1,0000.
Eric will explain you this further.

I suppose "Eric" must be me, I didn't know I was so popular ... In good I hope .

With your figure of "1/1,0000" chances of getting sponsored for H1B you explained better than I ever did. I will simply complete your almost perfect answer by adding that as this guy is an Indian this is a very favourable figure, for there are plenty Indian (mainly, don't want to offend anyone) bodyshoppers who could sponsor him with so high chances, since chances for people outside India are much lower if any.

Personnal Post Scriptum for Sampige Malleswaram :

Please note Sampige that I won't bother any longer the Ranchers about immigration, for the system has become too stupid, injust and random to be worth. Now as it takes more than 1 year to get an H1B, a gap which increases every year, it means technically only bodyshoppers can sponsor (which honest US employer could afford waiting and paying legally an alien more than 1 year before he can work ?), so all hope of having a decent job (outside bodyshoppers) through present system is dead. And US government is about to confirm his taste for cheap slavery by preparing an immigration reform only in this way with newest H5A & H5B status practically dedicated to extra-temporary very cheap Mexican labour, simply out of avoiding riots in southwest (some states have declared emergency status against illegal immigration) and avoid loosing too many voices to political opposition. Immigration reform for allowing again highly skilled is much more strategical for US future, but as it provokes no riot nothing will change, except perhaps if China economically overruns US by 2030 as expected by CIA previsionists. So I decided to immigrate to Spain, and to try making my own offshore company, which will be whatever much more easy and rewardful than trying to emigrate to USA. Viva Espana !

Best regards.


Eric LEMAITRE
CNAM IT Engineer, MS/CS (RHCE, RHCX, SCJA, SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA, Net+)
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Eric Lemaitre
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Hi Amit Saini !

K Riaz,
No one asked your opinion about what H1-B should be and what it should not be. Don't hijack the original thread with your biased views.
The guy merely wishes to know the possibility of having an H1-B with his experience. If you can answer something relevant to that, its appreciated. If not, better to keep quiet. You can start a seperate thread in "Meaningless Drivel" if you'd like.


You are exagerating, perhaps K Riaz statement was too abrupt, but this is exactly what Sania Marsh said too, although much more softly. Opinions of other Indian people who are in US now and know present situation is perhaps not what was asked through original thread but is perfectly relevant. If his professionnal evolution chances are much greater now in India than in US, as he already is an Indian citizen, he must be warned. So both Sania's Marsh soft & K Riaz's hard comments sound perfectly relevant to me.

Best regards.
Sania Marsh
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Yes, Eric is right, I said exactly same thing.

Why? because I have seen too many people thinking US is waiting for them with open hands because they are very bright. But the truth is that they are just cheaper and easier to control.

Yes, there are some chances he will get H1, but what after? What are the chances he will be paid fairly and he will not waste years of his life in US, while he could live normal life on his homeland near family.
Amit Saini
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Sania's comments are valid for those people on H1 through body shoppers.
Why do you forget that a lot of Asians are still hired directy by top notch companies? Who says they are underpaid and lack benefits of any kind??

Riaz's comment that "H1-B is software slavery" bothers me as a legit H1-B holder. What are these legit H1-B's doing differently in software development that the rest of world to be called 'slaves'?

Ramp-> USA is still the country of opportunities and if you plan to come here for higher education from a good university and work hard, I see no reason why you shouldn't be hired directly.

But if you just join some body shopper, then yes, you might be underpaid and lead a miserable life. I've seen some of my friends suffer this way. In that case, India is much better.
Sania Marsh
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Why do you forget that a lot of Asians are still hired directy by top notch companies? Who says they are underpaid and lack benefits of any kind??


directly from India? Those hired by top notch companies are usually already in US. Also, those companies are the ones that are least likely to apply for green cards.


Ramp-> USA is still the country of opportunities and if you plan to come here for higher education from a good university and work hard, I see no reason why you shouldn't be hired directly.


This is also true, but again, school in US costs a lot. Unless you are really confident within next 2-3 years market will be the same and you will get the job, you are risking of loosing thousands of dollars, while you could be working, gaining experience and living your full life.
ab parashar
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:
K Riaz,
No one asked your opinion about what H1-B should be and what it should not be.
Don't hijack the original thread with your biased views.

The guy merely wishes to know the possibility of having an H1-B with his experience. If you can answer something relevant to that, its appreciated. If not, better to keep quiet. You can start a seperate thread in "Meaningless Drivel" if you'd like.

Ramp->Theres no shortage in the USA for people with Java skills given the number of people graduating with a Computer Science degree every year. Ofcourse, there are consultants who would put some fake experience (4-5 years) on your resume and market it to bigger companies. You don't want to get into all that. The best way for you to come to USA is for higher education (like a MS or a MBA/MIS).

Good luck,
AMit




I cannot agree more with what Amit has to say. There are companies willing to fork out top dollars provided you have the necessary skills.There are lots of people making good money on an H1B(legally). Heck, I know people whose bonus is in excess on 100k,leave aside the salary.But, there are very few people who have done that and you need to offer more than Java/J2EE knowledge for that.

Now,to say that all H1Bs are techie slaves would be blatent BS.

On the otherhand , going through a bodyshopper may not be the best of options. However, If you do manage to get techno-functional knowledge of CRM, you would be in a position to name your price.
Amit Saini
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directly from India?

No Sania. That would be absurd. Why'd anyone spend money to come to USA for higher education then And why would US companies go to Asia when theres pleanty of good Asian talent available in US. All they have to do is visit campuses.

As Ab Parashar just pointed out, IF you are lucky to have a good consultant AND he places you with a good firm AND you do good work there, its all good. However, the fact is, to get in the first time, the resume is faked AND its extremely hard to defend 6 yrs fake exp when you have 1 or 2 AND lot of ppl screw up doing this. If you take this path, all of Sania's and Eric's comments might come true.

Hence I emphasized that coming here for education is also a good way of ultimately getting an H1 directly from the company and not getting stuck with body shoppers.

All the best!
Ali Hussain
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:

Riaz's comment that "H1-B is software slavery" bothers me as a legit H1-B holder. What are these legit H1-B's doing differently in software development that the rest of world to be called 'slaves'?

They are working for a salary that a US citizen/graduate would never do!


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Amit Saini
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Also, those companies are the ones that are least likely to apply for green cards.


What? US companies dont file GCs? Not true again. I dont know what is the basis of your statement. GC is a very long process. You got to stick to a company for the time it takes to process the GC. If an employee keeps hopping here and there, then obviously his GC is going to keep getting delayed. A new PERM process is being worked out that might reduce the time taken for GC/LCA.

Any good company will file a GC for you after H1-B. You MAY or MAY NOT have to bear the cost of it depending on the company.


This is also true, but again, school in US costs a lot. Unless you are really confident within next 2-3 years market will be the same and you will get the job, you are risking of loosing thousands of dollars, while you could be working, gaining experience and living your full life.


I would think of it as an investment. You cant dream of dollars and sit at home comfortably not wanting to take risks. Thousands of students come to USA for education hoping for good jobs. Many of them do get it, some of them dont. Unless you take a risk, you're not going to gain anything. You'll just sit at home and speculate how the market would be in next 2-3 years instead of proactively doing something.

If your univ is decent and you're in a good city, chances are high that you'll find yourself a decent job. Once you have that, then you can recover the cost of education easily. Not a big deal.
Amit Saini
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They are working for a salary that a US citizen/graduate would never do!


Bullshit again. Is a salary of 55k-65k for entry level something a US citizen / graduate would never work for? Please...go and tell that to someone else who is not in the USA. They might believe you.

Please refrain from making such comments. You are simply misguiding other people. You're just showing your ignorance of the fact that there are loads of Asians working in top notch companies making good money.

Or you just choose to believe that everyone on H1-B is paid poorly. That saves you from the trouble of having to try to come to USA and traverse what I might call as a 'tough journey'. How convenient...
[ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: Amit Saini ]
K Riaz
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:
K Riaz,
No one asked your opinion about what H1-B should be and what it should not be.
Don't hijack the original thread with your biased views.


1) Are you a moderator?

2) Who are you to say what members can and cannot write? To the best of my knowledge, this is an open forum. If you have a problem with my post, send a private message to a moderator and I will delete my post if necessary.

3) If my views are biased, what does that say about your views as a H1B holder?

4) Who has hijacked this thread now?
[ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: K Riaz ]
Amit Saini
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I've made my view plain and simple.

There are a lot of legit people on H1-B. Calling them slaves is an insult to the entire Asian community working in the USA on H1-B. There are some people who have exploited H1-B through consultants as well. These people suffer sometimes..and sometimes dont.

Your view is-> (H1-B = Slavery). Which I find a huge load of crap. In that case, every s/w developer working for a MNC is a slave.

I merely pointed out that your reply is unrelated to the posters original question

Originally posted by Ramp:
any consultants who provide H1B?

H1B is software slavery.


That is not the answer he was looking for. If your answer is not absolute and biased, then I dont know what else to call it. You refuse to even acknowledge the fact that there are people legally on H1-B (who are NOT underpaid) who work just as hard as any other developer in the world.

Again, either you choose not to believe the facts or you are not aware of them.

I've only given the original poster a different view of H1-B as opposed to the other posters like yourself who simply bash H1-B. I dont see how that amounts to hijacking the thread.
[ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: Amit Saini ]
K Riaz
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:
Insult to the entire Asian community working in the USA on H1-B.


I never made a reference to *any* community. Don't put words into my mouth - leave that to Fox News.

You have taken my post out of context and made a string of exaggerations and misinterpretations. Funny how at time of posting, you are the only person to complain.
[ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: K Riaz ]
ab parashar
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Originally posted by Qutub Shahi:

They are working for a salary that a US citizen/graduate would never do!


Mr Shahi,

I would really like to know where you are getting your data from.Top users of H1B include companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Intel,Adobe,EDS etc. I am sure you do not work for any top company in the US otherwise you would know what the top management looks like :-) Some of the VPs in these companies are people who were hired as fresh grads out of college(on OPT/PT and were later sponsored for H1B) and rose to those levels.

What you are saying is that, US citizens/graduates do not work for salaries in the range of 60-150k plus benefits.

Your comments are not logical and are far from reality.Not only are they prejudiced, they can misguide someone seeking genuine help.
Amit Saini
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I never made a reference to *any* community.


1. H1-B = Slavery
2. Who works on H1-B's the most? Asians.

I am the only person to complain possibly because most other people in this particular posting are Indians based in India.

I've not taken anything out of context nor have I exaggerated anything. What in your opinion have I exaggerated??

I have merely given the people reading these postings a different view of H1-B. I don't know why thats so hard to digest.

If people want to be stuck believing what they want to believe, theres nothing I can do about it.

Anyways, the original posting is completely hijacked now
Eric Lemaitre
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Hi Amit Saini !

Please, don't turn this thread into a personnal quarel between you and K Riaz, because you seem to argue about two opposite visions of US which both exist. Of course you have to defend your position as you know you are right, but so does K Riaz, please take it into account and remain sensible.

Please refrain from making such comments. You are simply misguiding other people. You're just showing your ignorance of the fact that there are loads of Asians working in top notch companies making good money.

Not only K Riaz made such bad statements but so did Sania Marsh, so the bad side described by them must be true. The H1B system until recently really allowed the best to come to US based on their skills, but since about 2002 it is no longer the case, the internet bubble had explosed and 9/11 simply dramatically increased the already existing crisis, but IMHO since then most companies in US tried to reduce losses by any way, among them massive outsourcing and hiring of cheapest only.

But still among the very few mechanisms of the good old days which allow an alien to be sponsored and hired is through university. There are many good universities worldwide, but in US only US universities are considered, so it really looks like the safest way to be hired in US for an alien is simply to attend an US university.

So you both are right, both of these IT worlds you defend exist. But by reading all the posts I still conclude that the only present way to be H1B sponsored nowadays is either to be Asian or to attend an US university, nothing else.

Or you just choose to believe that everyone on H1-B is paid poorly. That saves you from the trouble of having to try to come to USA to compete with the best and traverse what I might call as a 'tough journey'. How convenient...

This is a very risky ground, you shouldn't go in it. The statement "come to USA to compete with the best" is obviously hazardous, kind of "we are the best simply because we are in USA", as obviously many people much more competent than you and me are not in US because they couldn't come there for higer studies or nobody cares fetching them. The present US pool for hiring aliens is Asia, period. This leaves many bright and extremely skilled IT pros living elsewhere no opportunity at all for US, the very best IT nation on pure skills level being apparently the Ukrainians. But you will see very few Ukrainians in proportion because despite their skills they are hardly ever sponsored, as all Europeans.
If "come to USA to compete with the best" statement was true, US deficit wouldn't be what it is now, and China wouldn't be expected by CIA economical survey to outrun USA economically by 2030.

Best regards.
Sania Marsh
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I want to clarify few things.

1. I understood that creator of this tread was not planning on studying in US, but rather get H1-B through experience he/she has.

2. I'm not indian, I'm russian in US and I'm not on H1-B. But have lot of indian friends and know what they go through here in US trying to keep their H1.
[ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: Sania Marsh ]
Amit Saini
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I agree with you Eric that both visions exist in USA and I gladly accept both sides of the story. That is the plain and simple fact.

However, Mr. Riaz had his bottom line as H1-B==Slavery ,which I found offensive. He refuses to even acknowledge that theres a different side of H1-B.

I retract my statement about USA having the best people. Obviously, talent is all over the world.

Peace,
Amit
Sania Marsh
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:

However, Mr. Riaz had his bottom line as H1-B==Slavery ,which I found offensive. He refuses to even acknowledge that theres a different side of H1-B.



Amit,
I give you lot of credit for trying to keep the peace
I think I do understand why you found word "Slavery" in this case offensive, and it did probably sound very harsh, but I think Mr. Riaz ment the usual outcome of someone coming on H1-B to US (note, I didn't say coming on F1 to US and later gaining H1).

I think anyone would agree that for any foreigner to succeed in IT in US, the preson has to be nearly genious with best communication skills or go through good training in US and still be very bright compared to average developers on US market.

On the other hand India is offering pretty good environment. Why not to live there and enjoy life near family? That's what most of my indian friends are going back to. Even after grduating from good schools in US.
K Riaz
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:


1. H1-B = Slavery
2. Who works on H1-B's the most? Asians.


So, your logic *suggests* that anybody who makes a comment against H1B are immediately offending Asians? What about the non-Asians on H1B? Or do they not count? What if I was referring to those non-Asians? Since my post did not make any reference to any particular "community", this is still possible. Prehaps I was referring to *everyone* on H1B, regardless of whether my statement was true, partially true or completely false.

You have incorrectly established a deductive argument (if X implies Y, and Z is X, then Z implies Y). The premises are not all true (every H1B member is not asian).

This is why you have taken my post out of context.
[ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: K Riaz ]
Eric Lemaitre
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Hi all !

You have incorrectly established a deductive argument (if X implies Y, and Z is X, then Z implies Y). The premises are not all true (every H1B member is not asian).
This is why you have taken my post out of context.

When I on my side said that honestly IMHO all present H1B sponsored is an Asian it is obviously not offending for anyone, but a technical fact or so near it is considered as true even if it is known as exagerated. One another former thread you certainly noticed was "How come so many Indians", it really looks like Indians only are involved in present US immigration and outsourcing. Of course it is an exageration, but it is so widespread this idea is acceptable, tolerated language abuse, as stanzas such as "India and China are world nations leaders in IT". So please K Riaz don't take the other ranchers statements for granted on their pure technical meaning, elaborate a bit further so as to remain fairly critical. Amit Saini is not against you when he counters you with arguments, he is offering his point of view about real situations he lives, which is precious for me as well as live comments from Sania Marsh and other ranchers.

We shouldn't argue each other, the H1B is an excellent system when correctly applied with regards to its original purpose : offer short but consequent job periods to skilled aliens (up to 2 x 3 years) until they freely decide to run the whole immigration process (GC then citizenship) or leave, for american way of life doesn't suit to anybody.
The obvious issue is not the system but its abuses, which is a collective responsability involving alien citizens, US gov & US companies. We all suffer or easily could suffer from these abuses, so we have to fight them, not one against each other. So let's cool down a while to realize again that no rancher has any foe on this forum, simply diametrally different opinions resulting from different situations.

Best regards.
Luke Kolin
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Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:
When I on my side said that honestly IMHO all present H1B sponsored is an Asian it is obviously not offending for anyone, but a technical fact or so near it is considered as true even if it is known as exagerated.


Since I have to see any quantitative evidence produced here to support your assertion, I think the only reason thus far to consider it true is that it has been so often repeated, ie. "Goebbel's Law". The last numbers I have seen date back from around 2001 or so, which indicated around 50%. My own numbers lump in all working statuses, and are not H-1B-specific.

I'd be curious for someone to find out the numbers from USCIS, they've got to be around somewhere. You'd figure with all of us being involved in a technical line of work, that we'd base our analysis on actual numbers instead of opinions.

Cheers!

Luke
Luke Kolin
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My Google-fu is strong today. Here are the FY2002 statistics, so this is between October 2001 and September 2002. If someone has newer numbers, I'd love to see them. Check Table 33. USCIS numbers

What's interesting is that Indian-born computer professionals make up less than one quarter of all H-1Bs and computer-related professions make up less than 50% of all H-1Bs granted in FY2002.

Seems like there's a lot of misconceptions that need correcting.

Cheers!

Luke
Luke Kolin
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And now I found the FY2004 statistics, which are a snapshot of the most recent completed fiscal year. Check out table 25. USCIS FY2004 Stats

What's interesting is that H-1B non-immigrants are 386,821. Asians comprise 152,723 of those, and Europe + North America are 163,665.

Cheers!

Luke
Sania Marsh
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Originally posted by Luke Kolin:

What's interesting is that H-1B non-immigrants are 386,821. Asians comprise 152,723 of those, and Europe + North America are 163,665.



No matter how I look at it, cannot understand why Kazakhstan, Tadjikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizstan are under Europe?

Since when that region is Europe?

...

They probably had the USSR under Europe.. therefor kept all USSR former republics under Europe too.. strange
[ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: Sania Marsh ]
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A note from your friendly moderator:

All opinions are welcome (although they works best when they are fleshed out and not one liners). Please argue with the facts and not each other. This thread seems to have become very hostile very quickly.

--Mark
Ali Hussain
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:


Bullshit again. [ August 29, 2005: Message edited by: Amit Saini ]

I assume you have been to school at some point of your life and have had some lessons on good manners/appropriate use of language. So please mind your language. No offence!

[ August 30, 2005: Message edited by: Qutub Shahi ]
[ August 30, 2005: Message edited by: Qutub Shahi ]
Ali Hussain
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Originally posted by ab parashar:


Mr Shahi,

I would really like to know where you are getting your data from.Top users of H1B include companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Intel,Adobe,EDS etc. I am sure you do not work for any top company in the US otherwise you would know what the top management looks like :-) .

When was the last time you saw a post from me looking for H1 B or onsite oppurtunities? So please keep your assumptions to yourself

> Top users of H1B include companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Intel,Adobe,EDS etc.
Yes exactly top 0.01%. What about the rest 99.9%? Are they getting 100k+ as well?
[ August 30, 2005: Message edited by: Qutub Shahi ]
Dharam Singh
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Originally posted by Qutub Shahi:

> Top users of H1B include companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Intel,Adobe,EDS etc.
Yes exactly top 0.01%. What about the rest 99.9%? Are they getting 100k+ as well?
[ August 30, 2005: Message edited by: Qutub Shahi ]

Are you saying that residents who are not H1Bs and not working in above companies are getting nearer to 100K anywhere in United States?
Ali Hussain
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Originally posted by Sampige Malleswaram:

Are you saying that residents who are not H1Bs and not working in above companies are getting nearer to 100K anywhere in United States?

No ofcourse not. My point was that not all H1Bs are working as executives in Microsoft, as some of my fellow ranchers are trying to point out. While there are some genius/lucky H1B's, a good percentage of them are earning less than US programmers. You can find atleast one thread in this ranch where an H1B is being offered 35-40k.
Dharam Singh
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If thats what you claim,how much US programmer earn?With how much experience?
Eric Lemaitre
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Hi Luke !

What's interesting is that Indian-born computer professionals make up less than one quarter of all H-1Bs and computer-related professions make up less than 50% of all H-1Bs granted in FY2002.
Seems like there's a lot of misconceptions that need correcting.

I am an Engineer, so I trust figures, but I am perfectly aware figures are not truth by themselves, figures are useful to decide something, so matter with figures is not what they are but what you do with them.
Your figures show that until recently (some years shift between statistics and current situation) Indian IT professionals are not that numerous, rather 1/4 than 4/4 as people believe it today.

You have a word in english kind of "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck", and considering that on my side :

_ all Americans I met in IT, about 10 of them, told me hiring aliens in US has become impossible except for Indians, in particular Matthew Addams (JDO expert) who said "for an European IT pro, coming in US implies marriage or DV lottery, no other way".

_ all US lawyers I spoke with admitted that finding US labour sponsorship for non-Indians had become practically impossible, one of them (Barr in Florida) adding "since about 2002".

_ the only company (fiducia.com) I met ready to sponsor me (before cancelling at last moment one mounth after) offered me J1, because as they said "sponsorship in US has become a total mess and we are unable to sponsor with any other visa, like all US based companies".

So in all I don't know what sponsorship was in the past an I don't care. All I care now is that if on every occasion all US people (except you) plus all US lawyers plus all companies I meet confirm sponsoring non-Indian aliens in IT has become practically impossible, I trust them, not your figures. So I still confirm sponsoring non-Indian aliens in IT has become practically impossible, since 2002.

According to all the posts I see on all immigration related forums, there are nowadays only 3 possible ways for aliens to get sponsorship : 1) on US campus after graduation, 2) after an L2 in US subsidiary/branch, 3) through bodyshopping (mainly by far Indians involved, but of course nothing against them). So your figures don't contradict my own conclusion, nowadays for non-Indian IT pro getting to US means essentially in practice having his MS/CS in US. But if it is not the case, chances are almost inexistant if any.

I stated in another post I had decided to emigrate to Spain instead, I have grown totally disgusted by US system as US for an European IT pro is nowadays practically an impossible reach, check article "Bye Bye U.S.A ? Foreigners are becoming disillusioned with the U.S., taking to Canada and Australia and other countries instead." (http://immigration.about.com/b/a/067871.htm)

Best regards.
soniya saxena
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Originally posted by Qutub Shahi:

When was the last time you saw a post from me looking for H1 B or onsite oppurtunities? So please keep your assumptions to yourself
Well, I think you have just not understood the post. There was no such assumption made.


<< Top users of H1B include companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Intel,Adobe,EDS etc.>>
Yes exactly top 0.01%. What about the rest 99.9%? Are they getting 100k+ as well?

See, there you go again. You dont understand anything . The post says "top users" which means "top companies using the H1B program".
soniya saxena
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Originally posted by K Riaz:


H1B is software slavery.


Lets just forgive K Riaz for his ignorance!
 
I agree. Here's the link: http://aspose.com/file-tools
 
subject: H1 B Opportunities?
 
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