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bachi mat
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Hi,

I am doing masters in computer science in canada. I got my H1 for 2006. The company that hired me will market my resume (mentioning that I have 5 years of j2ee experience). I am very good at core java. I have done scwcd 1.4 and will be done with scbcd 1.3 in 15 days. Please advice me on how to prepare for interviews and what technolgies I have to learn

Thanks,

bachi


SCJP 1.4 , SCWCD 1.4 , SCBCD 1.3(In Progress)
Jayesh Lalwani
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What your company is doing is not only unethical, it's illegal.

During your interviews, you might be able to fool firms into beleiving that you have 5 years of J2EE experience, but 3 months into the job they will figure out that you don't have any experience.

I would suggest that you find another employer
bachi mat
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Hi Jayesh,

Thanks for ur reply. I have heard that a company doesn't call u for an interview only if u have atleast 4 to 5 years of experience. The company has asked me to be learn:

UML
Struts
Junit
Websphere or Weblogic.

Please suggest. I am a very qucik programmer. I have done number of projects in Java (academic).

bachi
nithin nambiar
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i can't understand why people show up fake experience to get into an organisation. this is very disturbing trend that we can see in IT industry ,interestingly most of the people are from Andhra Pradesh.of late Most of the companies are extremely cautious when recruiting people from this state . people need to be aware that once you get into an organisation it is very easy for them to make out whether you have genuine experience or not. if you want to become an top IT professional there is no shortcut,you can only learn and gain knowledge thru experience.
Arun Prasath
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Putting fake experience is totally wrong. You might be a quick learner. But, by saying you have 5 years of experience, you will easily be found out. I have seen people putting fake experience, been found out later and immediately chucked out of the company.
moto raja
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Yes Nitin,

I compleltely agree with you.
not only it is unethical, it is also very stupid. Companies HR teams are not fools.. They may recruit you even if they know that u have put fake experience, that may be just 'cause they need a lot of people.
I have seen an instance in my project where a guy, who was working excellently was given a termination letter in 2 days notice 'cause they found during cross-checking that he faked his experience certificate from Wipro.. And u know what ..? He had to repay a house loan of around 6 laks and then leave the firm..all in 1 week.. God alone knows how he managed!!!

So anyone out there putting fake experience... be careful... U will be thrown out mercileesly if u land into the right(wrong for u ) company!!!


Moto.
Arjunkumar Shastry
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Is it ok if company and other employees won't find out that person has put fake experience?


Namma Suvarna Karnataka
moto raja
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I dint mean that ...

Why r u asking..? U want to try or what..? ;-) Just kidding!!


Moto.
Anjali S Sharma
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Originally posted by Arjunkumar Shastry:
Is it ok if company and other employees won't find out that person has put fake experience?


For some people "The policeman makes them moral". If morality is not a good enough reason not to lie then may be the fear of the company finding it out may keep them away from lying.
Jayesh Lalwani
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Originally posted by bachi reddy:
Hi Jayesh,

Thanks for ur reply. I have heard that a company doesn't call u for an interview only if u have atleast 4 to 5 years of experience. The company has asked me to be learn:

UML
Struts
Junit
Websphere or Weblogic.

Please suggest. I am a very qucik programmer. I have done number of projects in Java (academic).

bachi



Oh please!! Doesn't matter how quick you think you are. You haven't met professional programmers. Your experience with other software engineers has been in an academic setting. You are measuring yourself against short sticks, so you think that you are a really long stick. Generally speaking, programmers who program for a living are going to be much faster and better than your classmates. Not saying that you and your classmates are not smart. It's just that when you have practice your trade every day for 5 years, you tend to get much better at it. A good interviewer, with say 10-15 years of experience, is going to see right through your lying.

Also, might I ask what are your salary expectations? Could it be that the reason you need to show 4-5 years experience is because your employer is going to market you at the rates for a programmer with 4-5 years experience?
bachi mat
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Hi everyone,

Thanks for your replies. I have no interest in showing 5 years of experience. My consultancy is showing the experience. I can not stop him.
He is offering me 55k. So in order to make profit out of me, I believe the consultancy is showing that I have 5 years of experience. I know plenty of friends who r doing similar to what I have done. They r working in companies from couple of yeays with good pay. I believe that if u have 6 months of work expereice, u can pretend as u have 4 years of expereice because the software cycle is almost similar in every project. I just asked u guys to give suggestions about what to learn to become successful in a j2ee interview ( as I dont have friends working in j2ee).

bachi
Prem Khan
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I know entery level people that cant fugure out how to pass a variable into a function.

And I had to be able to build a medical app from start to finish.

So there are different levels of skill for the same amount of time put in
[ September 08, 2005: Message edited by: Shawn DeSarkar ]
Jason Cox
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You know, I can appreciate the fact that you have no conscience and don't mind taking a position that could be filled by someone who is competent and probably deserves it. However, it is a bit low to expect honest folks to help you do it.
bachi mat
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Hi kayal,

Forget that I have mentioned 5 years of experience. I am asking what skillset do u require to be sucessful in a j2ee interview?

bachi
kayal cox
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I actually deleted my post because I felt it sounded quite harsh

But see, I don't think what you are doing is correct. I have seen freshers like you suffer a lot of embarassment and tension in their workplace. I have seen them pay for relocation, and set up a new apartment, etc at the city of their new employment, and then get fired within a couple of days. I would suggest that you apply for positions that have requirements that more closely match your experience.

Good luck!
bachi mat
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Hi,

thanks. I already said i am not at all interested in showing 5 years of expereience. I have no choice. The consultancy forwards my resume to their clients.

bachi
[ September 08, 2005: Message edited by: bachi mat ]
Amit Saini
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I suggest you talk to your consultant and ask him to help you out in this matter. He probably has done this for hundreds of people so he will be better equipped to guide you.

I'm sorry, I agree with everyones postings. Having a H1 without having a job is illegal. Its a loop hole which many people have exploited and consultants in turn have made it into a business. If the feds come down someday heavily on this, you can be deported (thats an extreme case though).

I have no choice

You do. And that is to look for companies that hire entry level graduates. I can name a few. Bearing Point, Sapient, Cognos, EA, MicroStrategy, Deloitte, First American. There are loads of small-mid size companies that are always looking for fresh graduates. You have a MS degree in CS and some good Java certifications. I see no reason why you should resort to consultants and not hunt jobs on your own. I am a recent graduate myself and I can confidently say that the Java market is rather good on the East coast.

I think google will be your best bet in getting a list of J2EE questions.

All the best.
Amit Saini
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this is very disturbing trend that we can see in IT industry ,interestingly most of the people are from Andhra Pradesh


This is not specific to India. This has been happening blatantly in the USA for quite sometime now. I have seen a lot of Indians (recent graduates) who are unable to find jobs go to consultants to get placed. You will tear your hair apart if you hear the names of companies that hire fake experience candidates on contractual positions.

You see, the managers of these companies are not dumb. They know whats going on. It benefits them as well as the consultant and the employee. So its a win-win for all. The manager saves costs by avoiding to hire a full time employee (benefits?visa costs?), the consultant makes money by marketing the candidate as if they have 5 years experience and for the entry level candidate, a start of 55k is extremely goood. Sad, but true. Most times, HR doesnt even care about the candidate, because they aren't a full time hire but rather, an hourly paid contractor.

Its a rather disturbing trend. Why does it happen though? Demand and supply?? Hm..interesting topic to debate on.
bachi mat
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:
I suggest you talk to your consultant and ask him to help you out in this matter. He probably has done this for hundreds of people so he will be better equipped to guide you.

I'm sorry, I agree with everyones postings. Having a H1 without having a job is illegal. Its a loop hole which many people have exploited and consultants in turn have made it into a business. If the feds come down someday heavily on this, you can be deported (thats an extreme case though).


You do. And that is to look for companies that hire entry level graduates. I can name a few. Bearing Point, Sapient, Cognos, EA, MicroStrategy, Deloitte, First American. There are loads of small-mid size companies that are always looking for fresh graduates. You have a MS degree in CS and some good Java certifications. I see no reason why you should resort to consultants and not hunt jobs on your own. I am a recent graduate myself and I can confidently say that the Java market is rather good on the East coast.

I think google will be your best bet in getting a list of J2EE questions.

All the best.


Hi Amit,

Thanks for ur reply. You know that I can change an employee only after I have atleast 2 pay cheques. If I say to the consultant that I want to do an entree level job, he wouldn't agree because he wouldn't make a profit on me ( as my h1 application says i must be paid 55k and an entry level job would fetch me around 55k). So I have no choice.

bachi
Rajan Chinna
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First thing i want to suggest you is the market in india is very good, get couple of years experience and than land here.


Having a H1 without having a job is illegal.

Then how come it is happening here legally?

I am seeing many consultant companies modify your resume before they arrange you the client interview. They even arrange proxy people to take up the interview on your behalf if your communication skills are too bad. They don't care what happens next, they just want billing thru you.
These consultants even make 10 yrs experienced guy who just land into USA to show minimum 5 yrs US experience, otherwise he won't get interview calls. There is lot of crap happening here and who is going to control all this?

Hey bachi, if you already made up your mind and very disparate to visit here....goodluck for taking the risk.

The market for J2EE experienced guys is hot here, concentrate on
struts, ejb, web services, xml, weblogic, websphere, oracle.
bachi mat
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Hi Rajan,

Thanks for ur reply. Could u suggest me some book which gives an idea about how a j2ee project is implemented?

bachi
Jayesh Lalwani
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Originally posted by bachi mat:


Hi Amit,

Thanks for ur reply. You know that I can change an employee only after I have atleast 2 pay cheques. If I say to the consultant that I want to do an entree level job, he wouldn't agree because he wouldn't make a profit on me ( as my h1 application says i must be paid 55k and an entry level job would fetch me around 55k). So I have no choice.

bachi



Then get another H1 at another emplyer. You don't need 2 pay cheques to change employer

For your sake, I hope you are not using your real name to post here. A lot of potential employers post and lurk around here
bachi mat
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Originally posted by Jayesh Lalwani:



Then get another H1 at another emplyer. You don't need 2 pay cheques to change employer

For your sake, I hope you are not using your real name to post here. A lot of potential employers post and lurk around here


Hi,

This years H1 quota is over. I have put 3200$ for getting it. I am sorry for selfish guys like u. u are scared that the new h1 people will steal ur job market because of low salaries. Guys like u who were in similar position as me before, are making a hue and cry and are a shame to our motherland. Instead of helping people from our country, u guys are also making a hue and cry about outsourcing to India. God! save the country from these gaddars.

Jai Hind.

bachi
David O'Meara
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Be Nice! Otherwise you will not be welcome at this site.

That response was definitely not nice, and I do not believe there was anything wrong with the post from Jayesh, I think you just misunderstood his warning.

Please try to be more civil when dealing with other members.
bachi mat
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Hi,

I am sorry for my last posting. I knew i was harsh. I have asked about how to face a j2ee interview for a person who does not have any experience. Most of the replies were not related to my question and instead people (especially desis) criticized me. I really felt sad at looking up some of the replies. I know plenty of my classmates who did not do a single program while doing bachelors, learnt a crash course in couple of months and are currently working in big mnc's. I dont think programming is a tough job. Everyone writes the same code based on specifications. I believe professional programming is a lot easier than academic programming. I just expressed what i felt after looking at the replies.

bachi
Anjali S Sharma
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Originally posted by bachi mat:


Hi,

This years H1 quota is over. I have put 3200$ for getting it. I am sorry for selfish guys like u. u are scared that the new h1 people will steal ur job market because of low salaries. Guys like u who were in similar position as me before, are making a hue and cry and are a shame to our motherland. Instead of helping people from our country, u guys are also making a hue and cry about outsourcing to India. God! save the country from these gaddars.

Jai Hind.

bachi


In the name of country you want other people to help you in committing frauds.
Fraud people never help their country to rise, they only ruin it.
bachi mat
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Hi Anjali,

Please check what Rajan Chinna has posted. That's how the current system of H1 is working. the employer wants the job to be completed. They dont care who does it or how he does it and there are thousands of people doing it. I already mentioned I have no interest in showing 5 years of fake experience. I am a very good progrmmer. Many professors have mentioned about it to me and also they are using my projects in their course work. Everybody has to climb the steps. The only difference is u had climbed them first. Please dont under estimate another person.

One more desi post criticizing me.

bachi
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: bachi mat ]
David O'Meara
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I sorry if the advice you're receiving is not what you expected, but that does not make it wrong. Some if it may be stated strongly, but it makes sense to me.

If you misrepresent yourself or knowingly allow someone else to misrepresent you, that's probably a good case for fraud. I'm no lawyer, but doing it another country probably doesn't help. If it blows up in your face it won't help you when you return either. The jails are full of people who wished they'd just told the judge "but everyone was doing it".

I dont think programming is a tough job. Everyone writes the same code based on specifications. I believe professional programming is a lot easier than academic programming.
I'd like nothing more than for you to be the one person who comes and solves this whole mess called Computer prgramming, but excuse me if I don't hold my breath. J2EE isn't rocket science, but you're not going to pick it up over a weekend or from a cheat sheet. Please stop fooling yourself.

Please read the suggestions above with a critical eye and take them as they are offered; helpful comments, not criticisms.

By the way I'm Australian not Indian, so I don't think 'desi' refers to me. If, however, it is meant to be a derogitory name it's a great way to have your account deleted.

Best of luck regardless of which direction you choose.

Dave.
Kj Reddy
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bachi,

They are not criticizing you. Just they are expressing their views and opinions on your message. Their replies just purely based on your posting. If you just wanted only J2EE interview help then you may not mentioned about other things.

You may not interested showing 5 years experience in your resume, but you are allowing consultant to do that. At the end of the day you are responsible what ever done on your resume. Good or bad you have to bare it.
Showing fake experience is definitely wrong. Because some one did mistake we dont need to do that. So never compare with your friends who are doing that error. Dont think I am telling this to you bec you are competion to me, you are not competion to me as I work in India.

Regarding J2EE interviews there lot of sites where you can refer some frequently asked questions. One of those site is www.jguru.com and you can refer other topics in Javaranch.

Any way good luck for your career.
Kj Reddy
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Originally posted by bachi mat:
Hi,
Most of the replies were not related to my question and instead people (especially desis) criticized me.


Its not related to your question but its related to your statment in posting which all ranchers feel wrong.

The company that hired me will market my resume (mentioning that I have 5 years of j2ee experience).
K Riaz
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Originally posted by bachi mat:
I know plenty of my classmates who did not do a single program while doing bachelors, learnt a crash course in couple of months and are currently working in big mnc's. I dont think programming is a tough job.


What sort of software are your fellow classmates writing? As the majority of the software produced in India is usually at the lower end of the scale, it is hardly surprising that many people can get away with a learn-Java-in-24-hours course and get a job with an established employer - another employee ID to increment. Average is often seen as great. People who disagree are in denial, as they take it personally.

You say that programming is an easy job. What an insult to the profession. Unseasoned fresh-out-of-college amateurs who dare not go beyond a "hello world" program usually have this misconception. What sort of software (either academically or professionally) have *you* written? I doubt they near any sort of complexity beyond a tedious database web application.
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: K Riaz ]
Kj Reddy
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Originally posted by K Riaz:


What sort of software are your fellow classmates writing? As the majority of the software produced in India is usually at the lower end of the scale
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: K Riaz ]


Hi K Riaz its nothing to do with India, and I am not sure why you are pulling India here. I request you please generalize your statement and do not try to blame particular country or community. If you made the statement keepin in mind of message owner, he may be from India but he is doing his masters in Canada. So his classmates need to be only from India and from many other countries. Because one person doing something from particular community its not the way to blame others from that community. Its hurts others feelings. Hope you understood my feelings.
Subhash Bhargawa
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Originally posted by KJ Reddy:


Hi K Riaz its nothing to do with India, and I am not sure why you are pulling India here. I request you please generalize your statement and do not try to blame particular country or community. If you made the statement keepin in mind of message owner, he may be from India but he is doing his masters in Canada. So his classmates need to be only from India and from many other countries. Because one person doing something from particular community its not the way to blame others from that community. Its hurts others feelings. Hope you understood my feelings.


Why do you read his posts?
Jason Cox
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I could give a flying crap about the H1-B visa program "affecting US Jobs". No Indian has stolen a job from me, but I have competed and lost jobs to them before. I have no complaints, that is how the market works.

What I would like to think is that the people I am competing against are the real deal. That someone who is basically a fraud did not somehow win a position instead of me. That while I would have been the better candidate and was honest about my experience, the job went to someone who is not going to do as good a job and lied through their teeth. I sincerely hope I have never lost a chance at a job because of someone like that.

I do and have worked with many Indians. I don't know how widespread this practice really is because most of them have been quite knowledgable. And if you think you can fake competence you may be in for a very rude surprise.

I'd like to think that you'll get your just desserts in the end, but part of me is nagging at the fact that someone else will likely end up losing a position to you for you to end up learning your lesson. Someone who has been honest is going to have to suffer for your selfishness. Worse yet, because H1's are limited, a good person may not get to come to the US. We really don't need anymore dishonest people, we create enough of those ourselves. No need to import.

I'm a big supporter of immigration and diversity. Two things I believe has made the US very strong and have certainly contributed to its ongoing greatness. What you are doing is putting not only yourself but your fellow Indians in a bad light. You are helping spread a very bad stereotype. Your actions will resonate far beyond yourself. Indeed, it may have a negative impact on some of my own co-workers whom I think highly of and don't deserve the constant xenophobia that you are helping to reinforce.

So please quit trying to justify it. I can't believe that the moderators would even leave a topic open where the person is basically asking people to help them lie and cheat.

[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: Rob Aught ]
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: Rob Aught ]
Kj Reddy
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Originally posted by Subhash Bhargawa:


Why do you read his posts?


For the same reason why you are reading my and other ranchers posts.
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: KJ Reddy ]
bachi mat
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Originally posted by K Riaz:


What sort of software are your fellow classmates writing? As the majority of the software produced in India is usually at the lower end of the scale, it is hardly surprising that many people can get away with a learn-Java-in-24-hours course and get a job with an established employer - another employee ID to increment. Average is often seen as great. People who disagree are in denial, as they take it personally.

You say that programming is an easy job. What an insult to the profession. Unseasoned fresh-out-of-college amateurs who dare not go beyond a "hello world" program usually have this misconception. What sort of software (either academically or professionally) have *you* written? I doubt they near any sort of complexity beyond a tedious database web application.

[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: K Riaz ]


Hi Riaz,

I am talking about the projects that I have done during my masters in Canada. Academic programming is a lot tougher than professional programming. I have implemted various PHD thesis (parsers, combinatorial algorithms with optimizations) in my course projects and got A+. There is more innovativeness in academic programming than professional programming. I had worked for an year in ASP(I know there's a lot difference compared to j2ee) for a company in canada. I was excited when I was doing my first project. But from the second project, I felt bored because I did not find any innovativeness. How many people who are working have a base in "computer"?(there are only 25% of people who are from computer science) How come are they doing their jobs. Don't u write the same code for every project based on specifications.
kayal cox
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Originally posted by K Riaz:

As the majority of the software produced in India is usually at the lower end of the scale, it is hardly surprising that many people can get away with a learn-Java-in-24-hours course
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: K Riaz ]

I request the moderators to remove this comment. I find it offensive, untrue, totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and an insult to intelligent hard-working people who write software in India.
Thank you.
Kj Reddy
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Originally posted by kayal cox:

I request the moderators to remove this comment. I find it offensive, untrue, totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and an insult to intelligent hard-working people who write software in India.
Thank you.


I agree with Kayal Cox. It is offensing hard working Indian ranchers.
bachi mat
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
I sorry if the advice you're receiving is not what you expected, but that does not make it wrong. Some if it may be stated strongly, but it makes sense to me.

If you misrepresent yourself or knowingly allow someone else to misrepresent you, that's probably a good case for fraud. I'm no lawyer, but doing it another country probably doesn't help. If it blows up in your face it won't help you when you return either. The jails are full of people who wished they'd just told the judge "but everyone was doing it".

I dont think programming is a tough job. Everyone writes the same code based on specifications. I believe professional programming is a lot easier than academic programming.
I'd like nothing more than for you to be the one person who comes and solves this whole mess called Computer prgramming, but excuse me if I don't hold my breath. J2EE isn't rocket science, but you're not going to pick it up over a weekend or from a cheat sheet. Please stop fooling yourself.

Please read the suggestions above with a critical eye and take them as they are offered; helpful comments, not criticisms.

By the way I'm Australian not Indian, so I don't think 'desi' refers to me. If, however, it is meant to be a derogitory name it's a great way to have your account deleted.

Best of luck regardless of which direction you choose.

Dave.


Please see what amit posted.
"You see, the managers of these companies are not dumb. They know whats going on. It benefits them as well as the consultant and the employee. So its a win-win for all. The manager saves costs by avoiding to hire a full time employee (benefits?visa costs?), the consultant makes money by marketing the candidate as if they have 5 years experience and for the entry level candidate, a start of 55k is extremely goood. Sad, but true. Most times, HR doesnt even care about the candidate, because they aren't a full time hire but rather, an hourly paid contractor"

I am taling about commercial programming (not research). You can become a great programmer by doing a diploma program for 1 year
Jayesh Lalwani
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This years H1 quota is over. I have put 3200$ for getting it. I am sorry for selfish guys like u. u are scared that the new h1 people will steal ur job market because of low salaries. Guys like u who were in similar position as me before, are making a hue and cry and are a shame to our motherland. Instead of helping people from our country, u guys are also making a hue and cry about outsourcing to India. God! save the country from these gaddars.

I might be wrong, but as far as I remember, H1 transfers are not limited by the the H1 caps. I am not going to stoop down to resort to personal attacks. All I want to say is in the long run you are going to hurt yourself more by lying on your resume. My intention is to help you. As I said in my first post, even if you manage to fool the interviewer that you have 5 years experience, the people you work with are going to realize that you don't. As other people have pointed out, It's going to hurt you professionaly and fiscally.

Also, a lot of people who are looking for programmers read JavaRanch. Java Ranch is a popular site. Since you have publicly declared that you are lying on your resume, a person who gets your resume and has read your posts is going to discard the resume

And, if you expect me (or any other Indian) to help you lie, just because you are Indian, then you are mistaken. People are trying to help you here. Just not in the way that you expect.

Originally posted by bachi mat:
Hi,

I dont think programming is a tough job. Everyone writes the same code based on specifications. I believe professional programming is a lot easier than academic programming. I just expressed what i felt after looking at the replies.

bachi


See, a person with 5 years of experience will know that programming is much more that writing code based on specifications. That statement alone is enough to convince an interviewer that you don't have any knowledge of programming outside of academia

There are several good reasons why employers pay more for people with 5 years experience. Employers are not coming up with the 5 years magic figure out of their ass. Generally speaking, 5 years of programming experience does teach you many things that school cannot. That's why employers pay more for people with experience. If an average fresh graduate had the same knowledge as an average programmer with 5 years experience, all those employers would be looking for fresh graduates.
 
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