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Mathew Sam
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Is it advisable to shift from Java to PeopleSoft? It is for my friend who has 7 months of experienece in java. There is a new project in PeopleSoft coming up in her company.

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Sam
[ October 07, 2005: Message edited by: Mathew Sam ]
Prem Khan
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Pick what ever one pays the best money to effort ratio.
ab parashar
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Most of the peoplesoft developers are already transitioning to other ERPs after its takeover by Oracle.....
Henry Wong
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Originally posted by ab parashar:
Most of the peoplesoft developers are already transitioning to other ERPs after its takeover by Oracle.....


ERP systems, such as Peoplesoft, are the "family jewels" of a business. They don't switch readily, if ever, even with the Oracle buyout.

As for the certified developers, it may take thousands of dollars to obtain certification, they won't switch that easily either.

Henry


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ab parashar
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Originally posted by Henry Wong:


ERP systems, such as Peoplesoft, are the "family jewels" of a business. They don't switch readily, if ever, even with the Oracle buyout.

As for the certified developers, it may take thousands of dollars to obtain certification, they won't switch that easily either.

Henry


Henry,
Your reply makes me laugh!

The only product line ORCL will use is their own. So your job market is going to get a lot more crowded! Thousands of peoplesoft consultants(working at peoplesoft consulting were laid off)...where do you think they are going to go?

You don't seem to understand what ORCL are trying to do with this merger. They are not interested in selling new PSFT packages or upgrading existing ones. They want the PSFT clients to freeze what they have, then cajole them into moving to ORCL ERP and ORCL DB. I mean, that's been in all the news reports for months!

The ERP segment (and business software in general) isn't going anywhere.
and the PSFT specifics are not going to be in for long.....As far as certified PSFT developers are concerned,the market is good right now,but not for freshers.

Please tell me how you "go learn" a new package (estimated cost for this training is anywhere from $25-50K), then suddenly get a job or contract, with no experience, in a pretty tight employment market. I suspect you'll need to learn a little magic too!

As for the 'family jewels' ...ERP is a stagnant area, or what they refer to as a "mature market segment", IOW most big companies have already bought and installed these systems. The heyday of the 90's are forever gone. The field is sluggish, the job market for all ERP types (SAP, ORCL & PSFT) continues to shrink.

--------------The above statements apply to the US job market, for the Indian job market , am not too sure ....but, I would still think twice about getting specialized in something like peoplesoft at this stage ---------------------------
Henry Wong
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A lot of good points. I'll try to give my 2 cents on a few.

ERP is not going anywhere. Big companies pay hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions per year on the system they bought decades ago. They will probably continue to pay. What choice do they have? Stop paying and shutdown their business? Spend even more money and many years to port the apps that they have? Many of which the source code is long gone (and the developers are probably gone too)

And if they port, for what? If they do it perfectly, there ROI is zero. (relatively speaking)

Admittedly, companies like Manugistics, i2, and many others in the supply chain arena have been taking some of the new apps -- especially in the area of trading exchanges. But quite frankly, it will be a matter of time before they get bought out too, and you wind up where you started.

Heck, they are even starting to buy each other. Are commerceOne, rightworks, or ariba still around? Or did they get swallowed up?


People who are certified in Supply Chain and ERP apps are rare. There are no colleges that churn them out. And it is expensive.... And those who are certified probably never paid a cent. Companies don't waste much time looking for certified people, it is easier to find good people and get them certified.

My point was... if Mathew's company was willing to get him an expensive certification, and put him in a rare pool of talent, why not?

Henry
ab parashar
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I get what you are saying and would agree with you on most of the points.My understanding is that,it would depend on the individual who is getting the oppertunity if he gets into the domain front or stays as a techie.

I still dont see much value in getting a purely techie role in peoplesoft because of the ORCL takeover and outsourcing of techie work.If the individual can aquire technical and functional knowledge,its there that the cheese lies.

If the project is offshore then getting the functional knowledge is more difficult because of the lack of such individuals.

In addtion, I would assume you would need a lot of domain knowledge to get in at a functional level.
Billy Tsai
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what are the chances with SAP ERP ?
can getting trained and certified with SAP ERPs help with job perspective


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Henry Wong
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Okay, this is starting to become a how to get into ERP topic... not sure if this is a good thing as my knowledge in the area is not that deep.

ERP is not really one application nor is it a group of applications pertaining to one domain. It is a huge group of application serving many purposes. Amoung them are ... Financials, (Accounting, Cutting Paychecks, Purchase Orders, etc.) Human Resources, (Asset Management, etc) and Logistics. The last one also seems to blur the line with Supply Chain, which itself is a huge group of applications.

what are the chances with SAP ERP ?
can getting trained and certified with SAP ERPs help with job perspective


Personally, I would not recommend it. Unless you can find some certification service that will do it cheap, certification is generally expensive. And in any case, which certification do you want? It is a huge wad of stuff... I think it is better to get certification when requested and paid for by a company, than to do it yourself.

Henry
[ October 08, 2005: Message edited by: Henry Wong ]
Henry Wong
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Not disagreeing with anything... just thought I'll add a few more cents.

I still dont see much value in getting a purely techie role in peoplesoft because of the ORCL takeover and outsourcing of techie work.If the individual can aquire technical and functional knowledge,its there that the cheese lies.


It will probably be very difficult for Oracle to convince customers to switch over completely. In fact, I am sure it is difficult to convince certain customers to even upgrade from one version of Oracle to another.

Why do you think Oracle charges so much for maintenance? The reason is because they can get away with it. And the reason for that is because it is very difficult to switch. (Try convincing your CFO that this change is necessary because it is the latest version of the software. And BTW, it might shutdown the company if it doesn't work... )

If the project is offshore then getting the functional knowledge is more difficult because of the lack of such individuals.


I guess outsourcing is a concern in IT, but remember... these are the systems that processes your paychecks, that processes the purchase orders, that manages the assets in a company, that routes suppliers and factories, etc.

I am pretty sure that these will be the last to be outsourced. And certainly, if it ever get outsourced, it won't be to save money. These systems fail, executives get fired, people don't get paid, factories stop, etc.

On the other hand services seemed to be getting outsourced. Paychecks are processed externally in many companies. Transportation is being outsourced. But the main motivator is not really to save money (okay, it is a big motivator) -- it is because it is being done better externally. Banks seems to handle paychecks better. And UPS, with all their "brown" commericals seems to be targeted all corporate shipping.

Hope this helps, and please take this with a grain of salt. There may be many companies and regions, where this is just not true.

Henry
 
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