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some question about writing CV , it is my first CV

raminaa niilian
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Hi
Thank you for reading my post
I never write down a CV , but now i should write one, and i do not know how to do that
can some one show me a resume or tell me what should i include , what is the sequence between
things,.....
Thank you
Mark Herschberg
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You should really specify a) where you live (as standards differ in different countries), and b) whether you want a CV or a resume (as in some countries they differ).

--Mark
raminaa niilian
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Hi
Thank you for reply,
I live in Afghanistan and i want to send CV to some US , EURO countries.
I have demonestrated web application (fully dynamic) based on Struts , mysql and some Data access patterns.

Thank you
Mark Herschberg
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In the US a CV is used primiarily for academic positions and typically includes publications, speaking engagements and research. It can be arbitrarily long in length, althogh is typically 2-6 pages depending on the quantity of work. A resume is typically for those who primarily work in industry and should be 1-2 pages (generally 1 page if less than about 7 years).

In Europe CVs tend to be more common, atlhough I don't know the market as well.

I will say that resumes which are common in India--multipage resumes which detail every single project--are generally not received well in the US.

Web searches will turn up some samples.

--Mark
harish goyal
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In india generally for a fresher BE(bachelor of engineering)
in computers science, how many pages of cv should one have,
and how many projects details should one add, in the cv.
generally we made two projects in our gradutaion.
and please tell anyone what should be the standard of projects.
i made two project in my engineering, one is online examination in java
with student datsbase,and other is library management system in visual basic ,
and they are below standard, so please anyone tell me about any good
projects that i can add on my cv, i want to add any j2ee project
i am studying java and j2ee for last 3 months .
can anybody please tell me any site which has open
source code for j2ee projects,
please help
Mark Herschberg
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Harish,

Please do not "hijack" this thread. This topic was posted by raminaa to talk about resume and CV formats. Questions about find and doing open source projects for the sake of experience, while welcome in Job Discussion, should be posted in a new thread.

--Mark
harish goyal
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hi mark

i am not hijacking this topic.
i am giving rebirth to this topic .
and i am also asking about cv format for freshers.
if i will asked same problem in another thread.
then u will say , we are already discussed this topic in that thread.

anyway i am very sorry , if it hurts anybody.
Mark Herschberg
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Originally posted by harish goyal:

can anybody please tell me any site which has open
source code for j2ee projects,
please help


This question belongs in a new thread.

As for repated questions, this particular question about resumes has been asked many times, but in job discussion we rarely if ever prevent duplicate questions.

--Mark
Pradeep bhatt
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I will say that resumes which are common in India--multipage resumes which detail every single project--are generally not received well in the US.


What will you put in you resume then ? Only technologies/accomplishments?


Groovy
Mark Herschberg
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Originally posted by Pradip Bhat:


What will you put in you resume then ? Only technologies/accomplishments?


Yes, what more do you need to put?

Remember that the purpose of a resume is to get an interview. A resume is reviewed for, on average, 30 seconds. If you fill it with lots of data, it makes it hard to find your key accomplishments, and you won't stand out. You can simply say you "contributed to documentation" and I'll ask you about it in the interview, rather than detailing everything you wrote. You don't have to enumerate every single code module you built, since it probably won't mean much to me anyway and if you write enough to give it context, I'm going to spend the 30 seconds reading the context and not seeng what you did.

One of my biggest pet peves: you don't need to name every design patter you used. Chances are, you used MVC, just about any 3 tiered application does. Telling me is like telling me you used a database--I could've figured it out for myself, and that fact that you sued it just means you're like everyone else, it doesn't make you stand out. The worst is saying "used Singleton pattern;" that's about one step above "used for loops." If on your resume you feel the need to tout the useage of 3-line technique, I start to think building a complex enterprise system will just be way beyond your ability.

Even listing technologies shouldn't be too detailed. You can say you used EJB's (even better then "Programmed using EJBs" is "Constructed EJB system to..." as it is more effecient which is key for resumes), you don't nee to explicitly state whether they were stateless, stateful, or entity. If you used morethan 2-3 of them you probably used all 3.

As practice, take reumes from the internet or from friends and give yourself 30 seconds to review them. Ideally look through 20+ at a time, just like hiring managers and HR does. See how much you get from a resume in 30 seconds. you'll find you wont have time to read it thoroughly, see what jumps out at you. It should give you a better sense of what we look for.

--Mark
 
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