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China tops India on average wage

Luigi Auriemma
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The average Chinesse Software Engineer is paid more than the average Indian Software Engineer - the difference is almost $4K!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4436692.stm
[ November 16, 2005: Message edited by: Luigi Auriemma ]
Arjunkumar Shastry
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$4K or $4000K? I am getting the difference $2966 as per the figures they have given.I asked some of my friends in Shanghai who work in telecom domain and working in software.Their salaries I found comparable to that of Indian counterparts.
Salaries are increasing at very high rate as demand is more than supply.Jobs can move to China in near future.Shanghai,Beijing and other Chinese cities I heard are better than potholes ridden Indian cities.How is the electricity supply in China?Do they get continuous supply or companies keep Cummins generators in their campus?


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avneesh singh
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Originally posted by Luigi Auriemma:
The average Chinesse Software Engineer is paid more than the average Indian Software Engineer - the difference is almost $4K!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4436692.stm

[ November 16, 2005: Message edited by: Luigi Auriemma ]


So, what's your point? India is a better country with freedom, not communism. How many SW jobs are being moved to china compared to India? India itself is outsourcing to china. Do you think they are paying more there?

India's NIITs are teaching chinese how to use computers. After learning there, people like you are trying to act smart.
Sameer Jamal
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AVERAGE ANNUAL PAY-INDIA
Project manager: �5,220
Software engineer: �5,344
Accountant: �2,956
Sales rep: �2,464
Production worker: �964
Source: Mercer Human Resource Consulting


Can somebody tell me the list of those companies who pay more to their software engineers as compared to their project managers, I want to join any such organisation.
[ November 19, 2005: Message edited by: Sameer Jamal ]
Sameer Jamal
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I want to share my experience on working with Chinese people as my company is working in collaboration with a chinese company and I want to comment on chinese guys without any biasness "They are good" this is my personal experience, My company works on security surveillance system presently we import all the hardware from china and design software for security and surveillance systems, the kind of support I get from China is pretty good. They are cheap and provide quality hardware and this is what the people on other side feel when it comes to software.
Eric Lemaitre
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Hi Luigi !

The average Chinesse Software Engineer is paid more than the average Indian Software Engineer - the difference is almost $4K!

Although this is fair info, not foul or biased, I believe it is totally meaningless from a practical point of view.
The wages question is always : comparing to average wages within same country. As soon as you try comparing wages between different countries with very different life costs, wages comparison becomes meaningless. You certainly live well in India or China with $ US 10,000 a year, but not in US.

I have an easy comparison myself, I live in France and neighbour country is very rich Switzerland. If I were proposed a job at twice my wages there, I would refuse : as cost of living is twice higer too, I would be paid double but would have to spend double for a living, so it would be clearly not an interesting offer.

The article seems to conclude anyway that match is even : both India and China have equivalent good skills and huge work force, but even if Chinese seem better paid Indians keep the advantage to investors for cheaper wages makes them look better on a pure price/quality ratio.

This kind of info brings nothing worth from a practical point of view, both India and China are the hotest IT countries now. The real interesting questions about them are elsewhere : both China and India get much richer through offshore right now, but only China invests massively in research and sales force for future, while US doesn't innovate any longer. So will China overrun USA as technological world leader by 2030 as CIA economical studies foresee, and will India still be one of hottest IT nations then ?

Best regards.


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Arjunkumar Shastry
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Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:

...and will India still be one of hottest IT nations then ?
Best regards.

Period till 2030 is a very long one probabally people using Java 5.1
People are expecting downfall might start from 2007 or 2008 or even before that .It might not be a dot com like crash but industry here will 'adjust' itself.Despite of having big workforce,India still lacks people giving new ideas or diffrent directions.Because of heavy inflation and broken infrastructure,cogestion ,companies are thinking twice before investing here.
Roger Johnson
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comparing wages between different countries is pretty much meaningless to me, because different countries have very different money spending structures.

it is very difficult to compare different countries in the first place. but in general, China is considered to lead India in economical developments.

US president G. W. Bush is in China now, US presidents visit China more much often than India. does that mean anything?
Devesh H Rao
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Originally posted by Luigi Auriemma:
The average Chinesse Software Engineer is paid more than the average Indian Software Engineer - the difference is almost $4K!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4436692.stm

[ November 16, 2005: Message edited by: Luigi Auriemma ]


1.00 USD = 8.08330 CNY [China Yuan Renminbi]
1.00 USD = 45.7600 INR [India Rupees ]

so if we consider a person is paid $10000 per anum and use the local conversion ratio we get an actual picture on the pay scales or the purchasing power in the respective local market.

I would be worried if the sentance "Project managers are paid twice as much in China than in India" reads as "Chinese Project managers are paid twice as much India project managers".
Devesh H Rao
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Originally posted by Roger Johnson:


US president G. W. Bush is in China now, US presidents visit China more much often than India. does that mean anything?


He likes chinese takeaway more than indian
ab parashar
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Originally posted by Arjunkumar Shastry:

Period till 2030 is a very long one probabally people using Java 5.1
People are expecting downfall might start from 2007 or 2008 or even before that .It might not be a dot com like crash but industry here will 'adjust' itself.Despite of having big workforce,India still lacks people giving new ideas or diffrent directions.Because of heavy inflation and broken infrastructure,cogestion ,companies are thinking twice before investing here.


I agree with that. I think this boom in India has been due to the IT outsourcing only and that in turn was because the US firms wanted to hire and they hired in India. Once the Liquidity cycle turns with the Fed rate hikes , all firms will take hard decisions......
I would say watch out for mid 2006.....
Billy Tsai
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The living costs and expenses in the city of Shanghai and Beijing are very high


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Devesh H Rao
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Originally posted by ab parashar:


I agree with that. I think this boom in India has been due to the IT outsourcing only and that in turn was because the US firms wanted to hire and they hired in India. Once the Liquidity cycle turns with the Fed rate hikes , all firms will take hard decisions......
I would say watch out for mid 2006.....


IT is a part of the story my friend, just a small bit of information for you, just the turnover of Reliance Group takes care of almost the combined turnover of IT industry.
I won't even go into the other public/private sector companies which are turning in handsome profits.

I am from IT and I take pride in it but I won't go as far as saying "I think this boom in India has been due to the IT outsourcing only".

IT at present contributes about 3-4% of GDP of India and again creates about the same percentage of new jobs that are required per anum for a country like our's. IT is the poster boy coz of its high visibility but the real growth story is some where else.
Devesh H Rao
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Originally posted by Arjunkumar Shastry:


People are expecting downfall might start from 2007 or 2008 or even before that .


so are we supposed to be afraid of the date or look forward to the challenge?
Duke Wang
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My feeling is that these statistics surly not reflect the real situation. I am from shanghai ,China . Even if the demand is in high rate for IT industrial here, but most of offers is only for the people who have working exp. For those fresh graduates, the entry salary is much more lower than before (about USD 3-4k/year)and even very hard to get a job. Is this situation also in Indian? BTW how much is the average salary for fresh man , also ppl who have 2 years working exp in J2EE?


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Kripal Singh
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Given the recent labor shortage

http://www.toptechnews.com/news/India-Outsourcers-Fight-for-Skilled-Labor/story.xhtml?story_id=11300BH2Y4B2

and salary hike

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1286374.cms

this does not hold true for IT jobs


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Homer Phillips
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Nobody has mention the difference in numbers between Eglish and Chinese speaking developers. I would suspect the supply is better for English speaking, so lower pay.
 
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