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Ram Bhakt
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Hello folks,
I am a Java Programmer in US and I am fed up with programming world. To be honest, I am fed up with doing work as an employee at all. I never wanted to be in this computer business but at the time I was in school (I mean, 11/12th grade), all I knew was AIIMS (for being a doctor) and IIT (for being an engineer). I hated biology so much back then that I took computer science instead of Biology in 11th itself. So I had no choice but to clear IIT JEE, which I did, and became a computer engineer. Now, I regret my decision to not study biology because I really like it so much now but by not taking biology in 11th/12th, all my options to go for higher studies in that area are closed.
Anyway, now I truely want to go back to India and study (and probably practice Law). Why law? I find it to be very exciting. (Proabably because I don't know much about it.) I am not rich by any standards but with whatever savings I have, I think I can live off of it without doing anything in India. Of course not richly, but as a person of the middle class, which I don't mind. Being wealthy is just a state of mind anyway

I am sure this kind of thought might have crossed several peopl's mind. So just wanted to hear your opinions.
Chetan Parekh
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I have similar story.

I want to quite IT field and want to settle down in my home town.

I want to start my own business (may be agency of something) and want to do social work.

“It is not important when you do it, it is important that you do it”

“There is only one ultimate happiness in the world, to live life in your own ways.“
[ December 02, 2005: Message edited by: Chetan Parekh ]

My blood is tested +ve for Java.
Stuart Ash
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Talk your company into giving you a sabbatical, or get another job offer, tell them you will join in two months and go on a vacation. Sit back, look at the sea (or mountains if you wish), think about your past and future, visualize yourself doing the other jobs that you have considered, free your mind of all preoccupations, and come to a decision. Take at least 3-4 weeks off. Coming to a decision in such a state of peace might be a better thing to do than take an impulsive decision.

All the best.


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Kripal Singh
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If you are a IIT engineer why are you working as java programmer in first place . Why not look at better jobs . Another option for you will be to finish MBA from top 20 and have a better career .

Originally posted by Ram Bhakt:
Hello folks,
I am a Java Programmer in US and I am fed up with programming world. To be honest, I am fed up with doing work as an employee at all. I never wanted to be in this computer business but at the time I was in school (I mean, 11/12th grade), all I knew was AIIMS (for being a doctor) and IIT (for being an engineer). I hated biology so much back then that I took computer science instead of Biology in 11th itself. So I had no choice but to clear IIT JEE, which I did, and became a computer engineer. Now, I regret my decision to not study biology because I really like it so much now but by not taking biology in 11th/12th, all my options to go for higher studies in that area are closed.
Anyway, now I truely want to go back to India and study (and probably practice Law). Why law? I find it to be very exciting. (Proabably because I don't know much about it.) I am not rich by any standards but with whatever savings I have, I think I can live off of it without doing anything in India. Of course not richly, but as a person of the middle class, which I don't mind. Being wealthy is just a state of mind anyway

I am sure this kind of thought might have crossed several peopl's mind. So just wanted to hear your opinions.


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Ram Bhakt
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Originally posted by Stuart Ash:
Talk your company into giving you a sabbatical, or get another job offer, tell them you will join in two months and go on a vacation. Sit back, look at the sea (or mountains if you wish), think about your past and future, visualize yourself doing the other jobs that you have considered, free your mind of all preoccupations, and come to a decision. Take at least 3-4 weeks off. Coming to a decision in such a state of peace might be a better thing to do than take an impulsive decision.

All the best.


I did just that. I took a long vacation and travelled accross India. I came back to US after that and I still want to go back. It's not that I don't like what I am doing. The money is good, the work is good. I don't know what it is but I just don't like it. I am not really enjoying it. I feel that I don't belong here.

The only hurdle to going back it probably "maya". You know, it is difficult to give up something that is so prized and achieve after great effort.
Ram Bhakt
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Originally posted by Kripal Singh:
If you are a IIT engineer why are you working as java programmer in first place . Why not look at better jobs . Another option for you will be to finish MBA from top 20 and have a better career .


1. Not everybody from IITs is of the same caliber. Some of my classmates have a lot more "CPU power" than I have.
2. When I said Java Programmer, I meant it as a generic term. I do quite a bit more than just programming. I am on the technical ladder (not the management ladder).
3. I just don't like the MBA line. For two things: I don't see the money in that line worth the efforts. I don't like working for somebody else. I would rather work for myself (and earn less probabaly) than work as a manager.
4. When I ask myself, where am I going? I get big question mark. Even if I climb the ladder ( technical or management), what's the point? When do I stop climbing it? There is always a "better career". After 20 yrs, I will probably retire with million dollars. But by that time my life will be over. My energy depleted, my kids grown up. For what? I will be sacrificing my happiness for those million dollars and in the end I won't even be in the position to enjoy it.
[ December 05, 2005: Message edited by: Ram Bhakt ]
rohit lodha
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hi rambhakt

just make a target , of money u want to earn
so that u can live lavishly in india , with ur indian society
or can start a small business.

i though in US u might earn about 10 times more
that u earn in india ,
just do work there for 4-5 year , and come back .

it is very easy concept ,that generally all indians are applying
Kripal Singh
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Sorry that was just in response to what you said ( fed up with programming world ) . Better do what you like otherwise it is a burnout waiting to happen . Also keep in mind that grass is always greener on the other side .
Originally posted by Ram Bhakt:


1. Not everybody from IITs is of the same caliber. Some of my classmates have a lot more "CPU power" than I have.
2. When I said Java Programmer, I meant it as a generic term. I do quite a bit more than just programming. I am on the technical ladder (not the management ladder).
3. I just don't like the MBA line. For two things: I don't see the money in that line worth the efforts. I don't like working for somebody else. I would rather work for myself (and earn less probabaly) than work as a manager.
4. When I ask myself, where am I going? I get big question mark. Even if I climb the ladder ( technical or management), what's the point? When do I stop climbing it? There is always a "better career". After 20 yrs, I will probably retire with million dollars. But by that time my life will be over. My energy depleted, my kids grown up. For what? I will be sacrificing my happiness for those million dollars and in the end I won't even be in the position to enjoy it.

[ December 05, 2005: Message edited by: Ram Bhakt ]
Ram Bhakt
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Originally posted by rohit lodha:

i though in US u might earn about 10 times more
that u earn in india ,
just do work there for 4-5 year , and come back .

Yup, my 5 yrs are already over

Originally posted by rohit lodha:
[QB]
it is very easy concept ,that generally all indians are applying

Actually, there is one crucial difference in what I am thinking of doing and what some people I know have done. They went back to India and are still in the s/w industry. Some as tech leads, some as managers. I want to quit the s/w field entirely. I want to do Law. That's scaring not just my family but me too
Manish Hatwalne
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Do what one in a million does -- follow your instincts!!!

Plan how you can do this...study law part-time, use your softwarre knowledge and offer consultancy for cyber laws, there is not much awareness in India about all this. You can also provide consultancy for setting up Private Ltd. companies, registration etc. Once you really uunderstand what your inner calling is, move in that direction slowly, that will give give you true happiness -- as a practical suggestion; plan a bit more cautiosly. Make sure you have fallback plans as well and enough funds to afford experimentation. Good luck!!!

- Manish
Raj Bhandari
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Joined: Oct 19, 2005
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Hi Ram Bhakht,

I'm also in the software field and infact in a big company but this isn't about me. This is about a very dear friend of mine. We did our MS together and when we recently settled down with good jobs and pay, this friend of my who was could even become US citizen in next 3 months by applying for it.. left his 80k job and went back to India. He just wants to serve India and do IAS... I think some of us people realize later in life and only the gutsy people are able to follow their heart.
Here's a link to his blog: http://jiby216.blogspot.com/
Its a big decision but there are many who have followed their heart... above is an example.
take care
Raj
Sri Ram
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When I ask myself, where am I going? I get big question mark. Even if I climb the ladder ( technical or management), what's the point? When do I stop climbing it? There is always a "better career". After 20 yrs, I will probably retire with million dollars. But by that time my life will be over. My energy depleted, my kids grown up. For what? I will be sacrificing my happiness for those million dollars and in the end I won't even be in the position to enjoy it.


Well I do a lot of things to keep me away from that thought. I do, Rock Climbing, Mountaineering, River Rafting, even once Bungee Jumping, Para Sailing.
Join a Adventure club, u will never give a thought about ur future now!!
Go on vacation frequently and rite now what u need is atleast 6 months break.
As Stuart said, go and watch the sea or mountain. Better yet, climb one.
Sameer Jamal
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I just want to share my experience, In 2003 I was in the same situation I just want to quit software field and planning to start my own business. So I started my networking and hardware business in my home town and made a partnership firm, in the beginning I got a few networking projects and we also did some sales too. After about six months or so I began to miss software development and I was also not able to acquire new projects, all I was doing was maintenance. In the end I packed up my business and joined my previous company now I am pretty much satisfied here. Few things I would like to share 1. When you leave your native place/organisation it is not always the same when you return back you will find yourself as a stranger there. 2. When you plan to start something new try to study a lot in that area before entering and do consult people who are already working in that field. 3. Many thing which you think is your instinct might be temporary one and your instinct can change from time to time so be patient.
[ December 06, 2005: Message edited by: Sameer Jamal ]
Amit Agrawal
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Originally posted by Ram Bhakt:
Hello folks,
I am a Java Programmer in US and I am fed up with programming world. To be honest, I am fed up with doing work as an employee at all. I never wanted to be in this computer business but at the time I was in school (I mean, 11/12th grade), all I knew was AIIMS (for being a doctor) and IIT (for being an engineer). I hated biology so much back then that I took computer science instead of Biology in 11th itself. So I had no choice but to clear IIT JEE, which I did, and became a computer engineer. Now, I regret my decision to not study biology because I really like it so much now but by not taking biology in 11th/12th, all my options to go for higher studies in that area are closed.
Anyway, now I truely want to go back to India and study (and probably practice Law). Why law? I find it to be very exciting. (Proabably because I don't know much about it.) I am not rich by any standards but with whatever savings I have, I think I can live off of it without doing anything in India. Of course not richly, but as a person of the middle class, which I don't mind. Being wealthy is just a state of mind anyway

I am sure this kind of thought might have crossed several peopl's mind. So just wanted to hear your opinions.


Hey Ram

Story is quite similar at my end too...I hated biology and got into eng. as that was the only other obvious choice for a 'good-student'. I joined IT industry, have been working with good companies & good projects since last 7.5+ years...Though i am based in India, I traveled and worked in various parts of the world including USA, UK, Japan etc. Today i am a manager, earn good money, command a big team, spend 25%+ time abroad so i 'should be happy' but i feel such horrible worthlessness in IT industry, my energy level is down to 10% of what i had few years back!

Though my friends think that i am in best possible job and position, I feel as if i am in a Pseudo/virtual world and with every day i feel i am wasting my time being here. I feel like taking retirement from IT industry and do anything else�may be becoming a farmer in some remote village or may be starting a play school in my native town or anything else. Worse, these are the same thoughts since last 6 months.

Last month, i took a break of 2.5 weeks and went to my native town...i also went to a village to check prices of farming land to figure out economics of being a farmer. There, I decided to spent some time in the village to visualize if i would like to spend rest of my life as farmer. In just 2 days, i could figure out that i am too addicted to this very world which i hate so much. I missed being in Action, being with guys i spend my days at work. I realized that in a village, it will be very hard to find people with whom I will be happy to spend my 'free-time' and I would turn lonely in that environment. Also, I would ruin my family's lifestyle who don't have any issues living in the world they are in!

At this moment, while trying to figure out possible real options, I have started spending time at Yoga classes, talking to NGOs to participate in their activities so that i can do something 'worthwhile'. Any other activity like Event management, being Marriage organizer, becoming School teacher, starting play school, doing Building construction etc. seems so attractive that i am almost jealous of the people who did not choose IT :-(

Hoping that either i will get rid of these feelings or i will break free from what i am doing! If you break free earlier than me, please do post so that I will get some motivation.
Stuart Ash
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:

1. When you leave your native place/organisation it is not always the same when you return back you will find yourself as a stranger there.


True true true!
Roger Johnson
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Originally posted by Ram Bhakt:
Hello folks,
..


my suggestion to you is: go on a vacation, spend all your savings, then come back to have a fresh start.

the only problem with you is: you have some money (but not enough to retire early), if you don't have any money, you will be too busy to worry about all this crap.
fred rosenberger
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hmmm... this topic has sort of drifted over into Jobs Discussion territory. I'm going to move it over there.


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varsha. namboodri
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Hi

Guess we are sailing in the same boat pal.

I just want to share my experience, In 2003 I was in the same situation I just want to quit software field and planning to start my own business. So I started my networking and hardware business in my home town and made a partnership firm, in the beginning I got a few networking projects and we also did some sales too. After about six months or so I began to miss software development and I was also not able to acquire new projects, all I was doing was maintenance. In the end I packed up my business and joined my previous company now I am pretty much satisfied here. Few things I would like to share 1. When you leave your native place/organisation it is not always the same when you return back you will find yourself as a stranger there. 2. When you plan to start something new try to study a lot in that area before entering and do consult people who are already working in that field. 3. Many thing which you think is your instinct might be temporary one and your instinct can change from time to time so be patient.


Completely true....

I worked with an advt firm three years back cos I felt I was born to be a copywriter! It lasted only 6 months as I discovered it was not my cup of tea :-) Many times we are influenced by the glossiness of appearances. Reality could be quite different. AFAIK, Law is a long-time affair & takes quite a time to settle down - my family is full of them, i should know!!! Again you need to evaluate your reasons - Y u want to be in law? Shifting careers only because you dont like IT may not be a sound reason. Lets say you join Law & midway of your studies you find you dont like it as well. Then? Also Law to be appreciated in the full sense is better if studied full time. How else would you be exposed to Court cases? If you are the kind who despises mad corporate culture, Law would be just the same with only a different covering. And there is lot of paperwork involved which could be pretty mundane. Perhaps you could go on a vacation & try out a part-time job/internship with a Law firm and do some reality checks before you jump......

All the best & do let us know what you decide.


............Varsha
Manish Hatwalne
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Well, if feeling change then they are perhaps "impulses" and not "instincts"; and refrain from impulsive decisions. One can take unconventional decisions after a lot of thinking and analysis as well, and such ppl are often pioneers. Unfortunately, their vision is appreciated only when they become successful. In the meantime, the journey is lonely! So, if you've been feeling that way for long, perhaps they are 'insticts'. Experiment....see what you realize in the process!!

- Manish
Ram Bhakt
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Thanks a lot for your inputs!!! I will do some more thinking. I am having these thoughts since quite a long time... more than 2-3 yrs.
There is a saying in Hindi, "Jo aadhi chhod poori ko dhaave, vo apni aadhi bhi khove", meaning, "one who has half and still runs after full, he loses his half as well". And that is what is scaring me.

I don't really dislike s/w field. I guess it is just that it has gotten too boring for me. And the fact that I am still an employee bound by all the rules (come on time, go to meetings, listen to crap etc.). I always wanted to be my own boss (who doesnt :roll: ). Also, it is not giving me any purpose in life.

Regarding Law, frankly, I have absolutely no idea about it. Mine is a family of engineers and nobody knows anything about Law. I am ok with putting in 3 yrs of Law college and studies...no big deal...studing is what I do best . My imagination is that once I become a lawyer, I will do some good stuff for the society.. fight some cool cases. Not for money.
For money, I will probably also do some small time computer/software business.

Varsha, since you mentioned that your family is full of lawyers, can you please shed some light on their lifestyle, experiences, what they do etc? I would really appreciate that.
varsha. namboodri
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Sure, I prefer sending the same across mail for risk of turning this thread into a discussion on law! (email add in your private msg).

Well, if feeling change then they are perhaps "impulses" and not "instincts"; and refrain from impulsive decisions.


Decisions based on Instincts - If one considers "Instinct" be a sum total of responses to stimuli over a period of time,(refined in various measures), is it not possible that instincts change to given stimuli over some other period of time? Then Instincts would also keep changing over time. So how reliable/unreliable are instincts in decision making? And how would one determine a decision to be conventional/unconventional? No offence meant, just my musings..... :-)


..........Varsha
Sudd Ghosh
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Hi Ram,
My family also has a lawyer and a CA. Life is pretty tough and competitive there, with not that much income because many such roles are getting computerized. Also as mentioned previously, can be very mundane with the paper work, which is eventually becoming more clerical with automation. Sometimes we imagine some career goals from reading books, movies, etc.. which may be extremely glorified than what the reality is. In case of law, I would suggest you to stay as an intern and minutely observe a lawyer.

I am too a SW developer. I definitely realise that even if one is extremely interested and motivated, one can get bored with doing the same thing day in and day out. Try to take a step back, breath deep and think. Think what can give you bliss and not mere happiness. I feel it has to come from within you, and you cannot search for this bliss from something external. I try to stay motivated by doing a very thorough job of whatever I do, it may be playing with my kids, gardening, cleaning, or doing SW work in my office. Whatever I do, I feel extermely bad of myself if anyone can find a single fault (or SW defect). So I don't need a QA.
This approach in life actually keeps me pretty busy and that way I can distance myself from the boredom.

Try to visualise the 3rd world with all the misery, poverty, extreme competition stemmed by the population, and you'll realise how fortunate we are to be in a position to even think of a second career option. Please see what we have got and not what we don't.
Thanks, Sudd


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rehans oberoi
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exactly i am agreed by ghosh
for a lawyer ,sometimes it is very hard to earn ,
for rambhakt its a thought
because he is earning that much ,
that he can thought in any direction,
but for llb student, he has to do struggle for 5 years
to earn good earnings ,
that is not software industry ,
for lawyers life is struggle.
for iitian , life is a game
[ December 06, 2005: Message edited by: rehans oberoi ]
Ram Bhakt
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Originally posted by rehans oberoi:
exactly i am agreed by ghosh
for a lawyer ,sometimes it is very hard to earn ,
for rambhakt its a thought
because he is earning that much ,
that he can thought in any direction,
but for llb student, he has to do struggle for 5 years
to earn good earnings ,
that is not software industry ,
for lawyers life is struggle.
for iitian , life is a game

[ December 06, 2005: Message edited by: rehans oberoi ]


While I appreciate you taking time to comment, I think you are getting me wrong. Whatever I have, I didn't get it easy. I worked quite hard for that. My wife will tell you that much Nor am I saying that I will get it easy if I try to do Law. Everybody struggles in life for something or the other.
What I am thinking is that since I have already worked hard once to get where I am, is it worth it to leave it all and start doing something that might give me some happiness?

What if it doesn't work out, would it be too tough getting back in the s/w game? Getting back at the same position may not be possible but I hope I will get a decent job in s/w anytime.

I don't know what you mean by "for iitian , life is a game"
Ram Bhakt
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Originally posted by Sudd Ghosh:
Hi Ram,
Try to visualise the 3rd world with all the misery, poverty, extreme competition stemmed by the population, and you'll realise how fortunate we are to be in a position to even think of a second career option. Please see what we have got and not what we don't.
Thanks, Sudd


That's a good point. Basically, what you are saying is play it safe. Don't mess with what you have.
But that's the reason why I have been in this dilemma for past 2 yrs. I have been playing it safe otherwise I would have gone back last year itself.

Hey, but it is good to know that there are several people who have thought the same thing and tried it as well. Let's form a motivational group and push each other for the harakiri
Saliya Jinadasa
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A very close friend of mine was working in London for a big bank as an analyst programmer with good money. He left the job to study medicine. He says he is very happy with his choice. In another two years he will become a doctor.

I am also in software industry working as an analyst programmer. I have the same sentiments as some of you guys. I do not see any future for me in IT. So I started part-time studies in Actuary hoping to become one in the next 3-4 years.
Mani vannan
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Dear friends,

I was long awaiting for telling some strange-thoughts here. I too have the same thought of all yours. But, I was afraid of it, why I was feeling to run away from this s/w field.

I am not 3+ or 7+ yrs. I am just 4 months old. I was working with great passions and dreams during my college days. I was expecting that all we were going to write/implement some thing in company; that never existed in the world before. But, it ever seems as a weird scientific story!

I have had an open mind of speaking/learning all most all the technologies during my college days. But, if now speak any technology, thats out of mine (in which I work) , people stare at me; their face become cruel !

After entering here, realized that this IT industry's situation is laughable. No one looks passionated. I lost myself by seeing them. No point in blaming them. They become exhausted by fighting with computers round the clock for doing something called 'projects'.

Where gone the passions? Where gone all dreams? how long are we going to be running after this *something* ?

90% of the people's attitude I have seen: Going onsite. Earning only interms of Dollars. If no promotion/hike, then move to near bys.

Then, how come life will seem intersting?

I met one of my college senior; he is 12+ yrs in IT industries. I met him a day before joining in company; his first advice to me:

"You are the hero in society; No, just accept what this society believes. Now onwards, you will change your life-style day after day; You will make it as a habbit throughout your living. Your family will follow you; They too live in same stlye; One day you will/may feel of quitting this s/w field (what I feel now). That time, you may be ready to change your life-style to normal. You can; But, your family cannot"

I still follow that gentle man's advice. How much true it is. isn't ?

I asked him why he did dislike this IT companies. He said, "You go and see"

Yah, seen.

But, now I cant go out and work in a farm or some where. Day after day I am loosing lots of friends; school, college mates, collegues. Now, dont want to go anywhere thats once again a new place.

People, we all have the same problems. I think some simple solutions. Instead of switching fields, we can switch technology.

1. Have yourself some pet project; spend time on it. It may not be on same technology in which we work on. (There is no manger; There is no dead-lines for it)

2. Think your-self an L.K.G; Learn some thing different. May be Q-Basic or Discrete Maths.

3. Meet your grandma or her brother-in-law. Tell them what internet is or how smart java is. [I planned to do that]

4. Last but not least: Life remains interesting until there remains something secret.

(Yes, still aim for somthing; that we may reach or may not! Atleast it can keep our soul living blindly)
[ December 07, 2005: Message edited by: Mani vannan ]

Manivannan
Sameer Jamal
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How to love the job you hate
Sameer Jamal
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"Follow your instincts" these are the things which I've done in my career

1. Started software development job as a career
2. Tried Herbal Farming business
3. Worked as a Research associate and wrote anti-west articles in History
of science and technology at www.indianscience.org
4. Tried my own software development business
5. Tried business in Hardware and Networking.
6. Ended up in programming job again
7. Hope my instinct dont change this time
[ December 07, 2005: Message edited by: Sameer Jamal ]
Manish Hatwalne
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
"Follow your instincts" these are the things which I've done besides developing software.

1. Started software development as a career
2. Tried Herbal Farming business
3. Worked as a Research associate and wrote anti-west articles in History
of science and technology at www.indianscience.org
4. Tried my own software development business
5. Tried business in Hardware and Networking.
6. Ended up in software development again
7. Hope my instinct dont change this time

[ December 07, 2005: Message edited by: Sameer Jamal ]


Well, that's great!!! Awesome man!!!
So life still goes on and that's great!!!

Would love to write lot more...but some other time maybe. Just briefly -- one should figure out if he's just looking for change, or genuinely wants to do something else and has identified it. Since OP mentioned about "law" I thought this might be it...maybe I was wrong in my interpretation.

I'll speak for myself (what do I know about others anyway) -- I do enjoy coding immensely and that's why I am doing it. I can still enjoy those "aha" moments when I fix a problem or come up with innovative solutions....technology excites me. But heard mentality and rigid coroporate culture put me off -- and I have found a workaround myself. However, writing is also one passion that I enjoy, so is photography... I don't write much these days but I'd love to. Being a man, I don't have luxury of following my heart irrespective of the monetary returns (more of implict cultural restrictions in the place where I am brought up -- it's tough being a man in urban India) -- but once I am more or less done with my responsibilities, I'd definitely love to give more time to my other passions/interests. One such dream is also being a healer.....all these are my promises to myself. And I hope to keep them upto a certain extent at least...

I think, all of it can be done simlutaneously.....by prioritizing things. At this stage of my life, it is more important for me to grow further in this field -- and I am loving it. But as a conscious decision, I am keeping away from typical corporate & management ladder and also not getting addicted to lavish lifestyle that my salary can easily allow me to have. And later on (10 or 12 years from now), slowly I can decide not to work for money but instead do what I really enjoy doing, it might pay me well -- but I won't be doing it for money!!! Just for my own pleasure...let's see!

I think having long term goal, clear sense of purpose and knowing where you're headed help a lot!! Not that I understand it completely, but I try...

- Manish
Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Amit Agrawal:





Last month, i took a break of 2.5 weeks and went to my native town...i also went to a village to check prices of farming land to figure out economics of being a farmer. There, I decided to spent some time in the village to visualize if i would like to spend rest of my life as farmer. In just 2 days, i could figure out that i am too addicted to this very world which i hate so much. I missed being in Action, being with guys i spend my days at work. I realized that in a village, it will be very hard to find people with whom I will be happy to spend my 'free-time' and I would turn lonely in that environment. Also, I would ruin my family's lifestyle who don't have any issues living in the world they are in!


Hoping that either i will get rid of these feelings or i will break free from what i am doing! If you break free earlier than me, please do post so that I will get some motivation.


I am surprised to see that I was not the only one who tried farming, I was motivated by a close family friend for herbal farming, so I started to learn about herbal farming thing, about different herbs their international value and herbal farming industry world wide. I ended up documenting my business model and making a thick project report. When I actually started my work then came the ground reality or "field reality" we can say that. It was totally different what I did was paper work I didn�t knew that I will get the return of investment in about 3 years or after 3 farming cycles that�s how the farming works. I was not having so much patience and kind of finance so I found not to waste much time here. It was a good experience though I came to learn about many herbs and their medicinal properties, I enjoyed my discussions with traditional vaidyas(doctors). In the end I packed up as it was too late for me because I was infected with the IT virus nothing can be done.

I agree with Manish that many things can be done simultaneously by prioritizing things and follow your instinct just for pleasure and just because you love to do it, not for money.
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rehans oberoi
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many peoples are tired by their life also
Vijaishanker bala
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hey... I was planning to change from SW into a Pilot...maybe then I can enjoy life and earn too...hopefully...lets see


When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free." <br />Linus Torvalds
Arun Sharma
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Same story here. After 12th standard new nothing except Medical and Engg. Was getting admission at both the places but hated biology and chose to study Computer Science Engg (thats where all the people with good marks were going and I belonged to that category) in a REC. Now want to quit this field entirely. I was thinking what I can do. I do not have much savings since I have been working for just a couple of years. Then I found what I want to do. I am now preparing for Civil Services. But I have not quit my job. I am planning to quit as soon as I clear prelims. But that has given me a new direction to work towards and achieve my goal and hope I will clear it.
S Santosh Kumar
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I think we all software professionals are trapped in "MATRIX" created by these companies. If you see the growthline, these is no end, no time for enjoyment. Field is changing so fast that we need to update our knowledge everday. You are not spared at any age.

People in software industry are getting BP and heart attacks at age of 30.

Just break the virtual world and enjoy life. Money is not everthing.
You need time and health to enjoy life, not money.


Early bird catches the worm, but remember "early worm" gets caught by bird.
Arun Sharma
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I think the software industry is one of the most lucrative industry in India at the moment. No other private sector jobs hold as much promise as IT does. I would never have got this much salary as I get now if it were not for IT industry. IT and ITES is doing a great job for development of the country without any doubt.

I do not have any complaints about this work except that I am not passionate about it. I am more enthusiastic about working for rural and urban development in my country. I would always be grateful to this industry even if I manage to succeed in my goal and move of this work.
Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Arun Sharma:
I am more enthusiastic about working for rural and urban development in my country.


That was what we are talking about in this thread, How to follow your instincts.
Ram Bhakt
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Thank you all for your advise/suggestions/opinions. It has given me quite a bit to think about.
As of now, I am more inclined to follow my heart and join Law in the next session (July '06). I have started gathering information about the admission process, age restriction and other things. If you anybody here any any inputs on that please do let me know.

thanks again.
Sara Jahan
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
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2. Tried Herbal Farming business

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Hey, Sorry for highjacking this thread. Was just wondering what happened to this. Did it go kaput? I want to get into medicinal/herbal farming on the side. Can you give me some pointers?

/Sara
 
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