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Rajesh Panchal
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Joined: Sep 06, 2005
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I have Experience of 2 yr in Dot net
Can Eny body Suggest me the which on
is preferable considering the onsite
and salary wise.

How much these companies pay for
2 yr emp in C#.
Rajesh Panchal
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Joined: Sep 06, 2005
Posts: 14
Can any body help me out
Kj Reddy
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It depends purely on your personal preferences. Personally I prefer onsite as it gives more exposure. After some point of time you wont give much importance to money in your careeer.
[ January 05, 2006: Message edited by: KJ Reddy ]
Kj Reddy
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Changing a company in 4 months is not good for your resume and career. If you have onsite in Atos, stay in Atos. Dont change company just for money. Even in other company there wont be guarantee for you that you will get project in .Net, they may put you in a project where they need people.
[ January 05, 2006: Message edited by: KJ Reddy ]
Rajesh Panchal
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Joined: Sep 06, 2005
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I s this happen s to every company and dont u think going back to technnology for which Mickrosoft stop providing support and working on it for another 2 yr won't harm my prospectus.

The project in which I am working very less chances r there that also for max months not much this is company policy they told us after joining here.

Is this happen in ur Company, what is ur 's company.
Kj Reddy
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It wont happen with all companies. But many companies cant keep all their promises. Its always better to discuss about your project before joining. Changing a company may not be rite solution. So I suggest you to talk with your management and express your concerns. If you dont get positive response then think about alternatives.
[ January 05, 2006: Message edited by: KJ Reddy ]
Rajesh Panchal
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Joined: Sep 06, 2005
Posts: 14
I already had a talk with them
they told me I have to work on that project only otherwise
put paper on that day itself when i talk to them,

as i ALSO HAD A Talk with pm he gives us a temporray work
in dot net but that wont go for more than 1 months as most
of us working on that project have 2,3 yr esp in dot net
still working on vb due to compulsion.

They told me they will move me toanother project only if they
get replacement with vb skills I never shown my vb skills.

And also they dont have new projects as most of the projects
have already been canceled still few will be coming in
4,5 months.

Nothing is confirmed.
Kj Reddy
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So, be careful in selecting your next job.
[ January 05, 2006: Message edited by: KJ Reddy ]
Rajesh Panchal
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ab parashar
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Both these companies are bigger names that Atos.You can go ahead and chose anyone of these you want.Once you get into them,then stay with them for a few years.You can get growth,salary and brand name.....Why worry about changes after this....
Victor Banerjee
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Joined: May 30, 2005
Posts: 88
Originally posted by ab parashar:
Both these companies are bigger names that Atos.You can go ahead and chose anyone of these you want.Once you get into them,then stay with them for a few years.You can get growth,salary and brand name.....Why worry about changes after this....


Agreed that these companies are bigger than ATOS but they are not primarily "Software Companies". They are finance companies and you would be working for the "Software operations" of these companies which may not be more than 1000 people. Whereas Atos is a 46,000 strong company purely into IT services. The comparison is far from apple v/s apple.

Though I am surprised that Management asks you to resign just because you want to work on a particular technology. Did not think that HR of any software company can take that stance these days considering the dearth of people.
ab parashar
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Originally posted by Victor Banerjee:


Agreed that these companies are bigger than ATOS but they are not primarily "Software Companies". They are finance companies and you would be working for the "Software operations" of these companies which may not be more than 1000 people. Whereas Atos is a 46,000 strong company purely into IT services. The comparison is far from apple v/s apple.

Though I am surprised that Management asks you to resign just because you want to work on a particular technology. Did not think that HR of any software company can take that stance these days considering the dearth of people.



Mr Victor,
I work at one of these big names myself,though not in India.Financial institues are much sought after here than any other company including major software companies.A lot of my co-workers are ex-microsoft.The kind of tech work that goes on ,is good.

Not only does one learn technically,but also functionally. Check out the difference in revenues of these companies.

We do some good work in the latest Technologies and one gets the oppertunity to work with the best brains in the business,not to mention that you get a global brand as well.Once you work in India in these companies your resume will become globally marketable.This is an oppertunity for your value addition.

Why worry if they are not primarily "software companies" or not...you should know that I get tons of resumes from people who are working at companies that you would call primarily "software companies".....Not only that we have some 15000 poeple only doing IT stuff and I manage a team from 2 major Indian software vendors.
Victor Banerjee
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Joined: May 30, 2005
Posts: 88
Originally posted by ab parashar:



Mr Victor,
I work at one of these big names myself,though not in India.Financial institues are much sought after here than any other company including major software companies.A lot of my co-workers are ex-microsoft.The kind of tech work that goes on ,is good.

Not only does one learn technically,but also functionally. Check out the difference in revenues of these companies.

We do some good work in the latest Technologies and one gets the oppertunity to work with the best brains in the business,not to mention that you get a global brand as well.Once you work in India in these companies your resume will become globally marketable.This is an oppertunity for your value addition.

Why worry if they are not primarily "software companies" or not...you should know that I get tons of resumes from people who are working at companies that you would call primarily "software companies".....Not only that we have some 15000 poeple only doing IT stuff and I manage a team from 2 major Indian software vendors.


Hi Ab,

Nothing against the "non pure-play" companies. I just put things in perspective saying that its not a fair comparison of pure-play and non pure-play companies. Thats why the statement - The comparison is far from apple v/s apple.

Its true that the technical and functional exposure in IT operations of cos like Lehman, Goldman Sachs etc. is far better than pure-play IT services companies. But at the same time exposure in terms of processses, team play, industrialization of IT processes etc etc is much higher in pure IT services companies. Not to say you dont do this in non pure-play cos, but in pure-play cos, you actually get a chance to setup these pretty early in your career. Depending on the phase of your career and your long term plans either of the two types may suit you better. I generally see (at least in India) freshers (upto 2-3 years) enjoying the technical exposure in these companies. Then I see mid-career employees craving the processes, industrial, lead experience in pure play companies. I hear that in cos like Lehman, at least in India you generally work in silos 1 person per project. Then again I see senior employees seeking non pure-play companies coz it gives them opportunity to go on the other side i.e. interact with IT services cos and vendor and get them to execute the projects and adds value to their profile. So its purely a matter of which phase in your career you are in.

Nothing is black or white. Its all different shades of grey .
Rajesh Panchal
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Joined: Sep 06, 2005
Posts: 14
Aother Option is Few
very small companies having 300
strenght in US but 50 people in
India assuring onsite opportunity
once in year.
Is that the better opportunity than these
Big MNC who provide very rare foreign
exposure.
Onsite Exposure will provides better
strenght to me in Technology and finnacially.
 
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