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Prakash Dwivedi
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Hello Mr. Solveig Laura,

You have mentioned different topics related to the containers like
- What's a container
- More on what a container is and the basic technologies of J2EE
- What's up with open standards
- The different containers

Have you suggested using any container, or compared performance / features of different containers.
Also which container have you used in the book (for deploying code).

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Nicholas Cheung
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According to this thread:
http://www.coderanch.com/t/314461/EJB-JEE/java/Win-copy-EE-Big-Picture

Seems the author does not have any preferences for containers. In fact, the container may not need for this book.

Nick


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Kishore Dandu
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What I do not understand is, a powerpoint presentation from lead developers working with J2EE is sufficient.

Why a book on big picture???


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Solveig Laura Haugland
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Originally posted by Prakash Dwivedi:
Hello Mr. Solveig Laura,

You have mentioned different topics related to the containers like
- What's a container
- More on what a container is and the basic technologies of J2EE
- What's up with open standards
- The different containers

Have you suggested using any container, or compared performance / features of different containers.
Also which container have you used in the book (for deploying code).

regrads



Hi,

There's no actual code deployment demonstrated, so no particular container. This book is primarily for those who will never deploy code and don't need to for their jobs. However, it's secondarily for programmers who want a gentle, readable introduction to the, well, big picture for J2EE.

You won't learn to *do* anything with this book. ;> But people who are nontechnical or semitechnical who work in technical companies--and there are a lot--don't need to *do* J2EE. They need to do a lot of other stuff that relies on understanding J2EE in general, though, and that's what this book gives them.

The table of contents is here:
http://www.bigpicture-books.com/bigpicturetoc.pdf

Solveig
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solveig@bigpicture-books.com
www.bigpicture-books.com

http://www.bigpicture-books.com/bigpicturetoc.pdf

"J2EE: The Big Picture" by Solveig Haugland, Mark Cade, and Anthony Orapallo
Knowledge without coding.
Understanding without boredom.
And occasional references to badgers.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0131480103
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0131480103
Jeroen Wenting
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uh, a powerpoint presentation enough to teach the ins and outs of J2EE?
That's one heck of a presentation, how many orders of pizza, gallons of cafienated drink of choice and boxes of wideawake pills are included per attendee?


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C Kutler
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The question might really be which containers are available that support J2EE 1.4. I know that Tomcat 5 does and Sun One Application Server 8 does. There might be others, but I don't know.


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Jeroen Wenting
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Tomcat5 supports a subset of J2EE, namely the servlet and JSP APIs, only.

There are literally dozens of J2EE servers, you'll have to visit manufacturer websites to get information about 1.4 compliance.
Nicholas Cheung
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There are at least 3 more AS which support J2EE:
1. IBM WAS
2. BEA WL
3. JBoss

And there maybe lots of open source application servers.

Nick
Doug Wang
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
What I do not understand is, a powerpoint presentation from lead developers working with J2EE is sufficient.

Why a book on big picture???


I think a book on big picture fits into the market, because the whole J2EE thing is so complex, and need to be broken down into smaller digestible chunks. I am afraid just one presentation doesn't work.

The book is more of concept and technology, so it involves no container. In fact, you can find tons of books on specific containers.

Doug.


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Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
uh, a powerpoint presentation enough to teach the ins and outs of J2EE?
That's one heck of a presentation, how many orders of pizza, gallons of cafienated drink of choice and boxes of wideawake pills are included per attendee?


I am not sure if you worked with higherups who are trying to get a undesstand the details and positives of a technology. In my limited experience all those higherups(towards whom this book is aimed at) base more of their decision making on feedback from star performers in the team and tech-savvy geeks than any book(they sure are busy with their golf handicap etc). That is what I mean........... grrrrrrrrrr.
Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:


I am not sure if you worked with higherups who are trying to get a undesstand the details and positives of a technology. In my limited experience all those higherups(towards whom this book is aimed at) base more of their decision making on feedback from star performers in the team and tech-savvy geeks than any book(they sure are busy with their golf handicap etc). That is what I mean........... grrrrrrrrrr.


Yes, I know the people you're talking about except in my experience they make their decisions based solely on sales presentations from "preferred vendors" without any input from the technical staff at all.
That's how you end up being forced to use technologies that are completely unsuited for the problem and being told to use some buzzword someone picked up as being the latest and greatest who doesn't understand what it means.

In one large company I worked as a consultant the joke was (and it seemed from our experience to sadly be the truth) that the procurement process went as follows:
If IBM makes it buy IBM else buy the most expensive alternative on the market.
Edwin Keeton
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A comprehensive list of J2EE servers may be found here.

http://www.theserverside.com/reviews/matrix.tss


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Prakash Dwivedi
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Originally posted by Edwin Keeton:
A comprehensive list of J2EE servers may be found here.

http://www.theserverside.com/reviews/matrix.tss


Thanks Edwin, nice link
 
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