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"Junior" programming positions

Brandt Charles
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Joined: Apr 17, 2006
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I'm about to finish some coursework in software engineering, which has had an emphasis in Java. So I'm looking throughout dice.com to see what's out there, especially in regard to entry level/junior programming positions. What level of proficiency does Junior entail because I swear each and every one request 2-3 years of experience. We all have to start somewhere, should I bother applying for those? I understand the posting of what they "want" may not be imperative, and just that: a want, not a need (reminds me of a Rolling Stones song).

ALSO: When an online position does not specify which file format with which to submit my resume, what is the format of choice, i.e. Word or plain text? I know the recruiters can get fussy, so I don't want to start off on the wrong foot.

Thanks for your input.

Brandt


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Tim Holloway
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Request? "Demand" is more like it. They all want a free ride. You can't get experience unless you have experience.

Seriously, while I have a major Bad Attitude about the ludicrousness of the average recruiting ad and the HR departments that post them, it's pretty expensive to hire a person, set up benefits, and put them to work. Lots of people would walk in cold off the street with zero experience or talent if they could, and some of them would even be worth the effort. But a lot of them would just be a waste of time, money and effort.

In many cases, a person's first year on the job is not just a matter of developing technical skills, it's a matter of learning how to function in a day-to-day business environmemt. Not everyone can. Some do better in academia, some in small business, some do best in a consulting capacity. So part of that "2 years" is having proven that you'll fit.

Also, there's the perennial complaint that education does virtually nothing towards building a practical skillset.

It's tough to break in. Probably the two best approaches are to investigate internships and/or to develop a network of insiders who can get you past that initial barrier.

As far as r�sum� formats, Word is probably the most common, but the true answer is: whatever they demand. Usually they'll state it in the advertisement. It's easier to convert a Word document to plain text than to go the other way, however, so keep your master document in that form.


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Svend Rost
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Joined: Oct 23, 2002
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Hi,

According to my understanding, a junior programmer has between 0-3 years
of expirience. If I were you I would try to get the jobs anyways

Are you still a student? if so it might be possible to get an internship
as Tim also suggests. Here in Denmark it is not unusual that students
work 15-18 hours/week besides their study.

With respect to file format I'd use PDF. You can find free document to
pdf converters on the net.

The best of luck,

/Svend Rost
Svend Rost
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Joined: Oct 23, 2002
Posts: 904
Hi,

According to my understanding, a junior programmer has between 0-3 years
of expirience. If I were you I would try to apply for the job anyway - it
might be an absolute requirement, but more of a "wish".

Are you still a student? if so it might be possible to get an internship
as Tim also suggests. Here in Denmark it is not unusual that students
work 15-18 hours/week besides their study.

With respect to file format I'd use PDF. You can find free document to
pdf converters on the net.

The best of luck,

/Svend Rost
Brandt Charles
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Joined: Apr 17, 2006
Posts: 57

Originally posted by Svend Rost:
Hi,


Are you still a student? if so it might be possible to get an internship
as Tim also suggests. Here in Denmark it is not unusual that students
work 15-18 hours/week besides their study.



I am in fact a student, however on a part time basis. I work a professional job in managed health care and am moving toward a career change in IT. In my case, I would have to find an internship/co-op that runs after business hours. This is something I'm willing to do if it helps in the long run. The problem is, I'm not sure they exist.

And Tim, I totally agree with what you say about the first year of employment. I've worked a professional job for 12 years now, and I'm hoping when recruiters/HR/hiring managers are reviewing qualifications they'll take that into account. But the big question is: do the people doing the hiring recognize this asset?
[ December 01, 2006: Message edited by: Brandt Charles ]
 
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