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Harold Shinsato
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Joined: Jan 19, 2006
Posts: 3
Before you think of blasting me, my problem is that I need to find a set of tools or a product that can compete with VisualStudio.Net to create a rapid visual web application, but instead of vendor lockin and M$ only client deployment (because we have serious visual widgets to display), that I can convince the developers and management to go with a J2EE based product instead.

The MyEclipse suite looks like it might work, or possibly ULC (from Canoo) which a colleague recommended I look at. But I'd rather not have to spend a lot of time assembling different tools, or explaining how things are put together. It needs to access databases, be able to incorporate custom visual widgets (we have one .Net visual widget, but more Java Swing components that are of interest).

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Harold
Roy Ben Ami
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Joined: Jan 13, 2002
Posts: 732
Try the Java Studio Creator.

You can get version 1 for free at the moment and in the upcoming month version 2 will come out (also free).

You can also d/l a beta of version 2 after you sign in for free in the java web site.

Take a look here:
Java Studio Creator
[ January 19, 2006: Message edited by: Roy Ben Ami ]
Harold Shinsato
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Joined: Jan 19, 2006
Posts: 3
Thanks, I've seen Java Studio Creator in action, and it does seem to have improved dramatically since the early Sun tools. There's a bit of a poor perception about the tools from Sun, especially comparing them with Microsoft. Do you know how it would compare side by side against MyEclipse or VisualStudio.Net? Can JSC support Hibernate, JavaSpaces, etc.?
Roy Ben Ami
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Joined: Jan 13, 2002
Posts: 732
Well, i haven't used java studio creator for any serious work yet.
I downloaded version 2 and fiddled with it a bit, and it seems a pretty great IDE for designing web apps fast (a lot of JSF support in ways i didn't even think of).

The one drawback i see in it, is that it comes with sun app server bundled with it. So they force you to at least work together with their app server.
About hibernate then, i'm not sure, but i guess you can add it, but not with support from the IDE itself.

As much as i hate to admit it, there are no competitors in the java world for visual studio .NET (especially the recent .net 2005).

There are many IDE's that come close to it (like Eclipse with 10 plugins) or even Netbeans 5.0 for J2EE developement, but as a whole .NET wins big time.

Again, for web apps, sun did a good job with the java studio creator and we are starting to see it coming close to the .NET ease of use, so you can use it if you accept it's shortcomings.

I, myself, wouldn't be caught dead using any microsoft product so i am biased, but if you can bare it, then try the creator and tell us what you think.
Maybe someone else here has more experience with it than me.
Good luck anyway!
[ January 19, 2006: Message edited by: Roy Ben Ami ]
Harold Shinsato
Greenhorn

Joined: Jan 19, 2006
Posts: 3
Thanks, I'd rather not be using the Microsoft products, but it's not me that would be using them - it's another group, so I'd basically have a sales job to get them to switch (other than the fact that our market prefers Java). Sounds like it might be an uphill sell, at least at the moment. Hopefully I'll hear more from others.
Pol Appan
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Joined: Aug 26, 2004
Posts: 144
Just wanted to ask something about Sun Java Studio Creator.

Is it possible to deploy web applications developed using SJSC to Oracle Application Server 10g or for that any J2EE based apps server?

I am planning to use it for web development?

Thanks in advance.


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