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Frustrated with the MBA hype !!

shan Iyer
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Hi all ,

I am really frustrated looking at the HUGE difference in package between a technical and a fresh MBA graduate from a premier B School . Thats really bad and pulls down the moral of techies . Moreover , the diffrence between the respect and status earned in the society by an MBA grad and a technical guy is really ASTRONOMICAL . Being a non MBA also takes a toll on personal life , especially with girls these days gunning for guys with MBAs !!
Are these 1200 people from the IIMs the ultimate people and do they deserve all this kind of attention ???
[ April 08, 2007: Message edited by: Shankar Iyer ]

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I am really frustrated looking at the HUGE difference in package between a technical and a fresh MBA graduate from a premier B School . Thats really bad and pulls down the moral of techies .


An architect is paid as much. The pressure is quite comparable. It certainly does not pull down my moral.

Moreover , the diffrence between the respect and status earned in the society by an MBA grad and a technical guy is really ASTRONOMICAL


No. I have spoken to technically sound people that can command a lot of respect. Respect comes from intelligence, willingness to help others and being modest about it, not from your hierarchical position.

Being a non MBA also takes a toll on personal life , especially with girls these days gunning for guys with MBAs !!


What evidence do you have to support this ? This is so not true.

Are these 1200 people from the IIMs the ultimate people and do they deserve all this kind of attention ???


They are not celebrities or actors. They have to put up with a lot of pressure. That is why they are paid a lot. It just takes an architect more time to reach the top so that he/she can get paid more for their skills. The difference is perhaps 5 - 10 years depending on where you work.


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I've seen plenty of MBA's working for peanuts, and I've seen alot of self-taught portal architects making loads of dough, even though they don't have a bunch of letters behind their names. And personally, I'm just a lowly developer, but the babes just run to me.

Career advancement has much more to do with who you are, what you know, and how you interact with people, than a few letters after your name.

My guess is that those MBA's who are making killer cash, and getting the babes, would probably be the same people making killer cash and getting the babes, even if they didn't have the MBAs.

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raj vin
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I guess Shankar Iyer is telling INDIAN scenario.
shan Iyer
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An architect is paid as much. The pressure is quite comparable. It certainly does not pull down my moral.


Presuure is there at all levels . A programmer usually faces equivalent (not equal)pressure as an architect , except for cases when the latter is on bench or is in a maintenance project . So one pressure cannot be said to be greater than the other .

No. I have spoken to technically sound people that can command a lot of respect. Respect comes from intelligence, willingness to help others and being modest about it, not from your hierarchical position.


Thats probably one aspect of it . Normally eyebrows are raised with astonishment and respect (and may be jealousy too )when you come across an MBA guy from a premier School , irrespective of his behaviour and nature .

What evidence do you have to support this ? This is so not true.


There was this girl I secretly loved before her parents got her engaged to an MBA guy with a top job . That probably got me into thinking all this .
And let me tell you , parents of B.E. girls very seldom look for B.E. guys . They are bent upon MBAs . Probably girls with degrees less than B.E. would prefer B.E. guys .
[ April 09, 2007: Message edited by: Shankar Iyer ]
shan Iyer
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My guess is that those MBA's who are making killer cash, and getting the babes, would probably be the same people making killer cash and getting the babes, even if they didn't have the MBAs.


Yes you are probably right ! These guys would have done well anyways . Its probably the students who are responsible for the name and fame of B schools and not the vice versa .
shan Iyer
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I dont know if this the right forum to disscuss all this or whether moving this thread to meaningless drivel would be a better idea .
Chetan Parekh
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Originally posted by Shankar Iyer:
There was this girl I secretly loved before her parents got her engaged to an MBA guy with a top job . That probably got me into thinking all this .
And let me tell you , parents of B.E. girls very seldom look for B.E. guys . They are bent upon MBAs . Probably girls with degrees less than B.E. would prefer B.E. guys .


It would be better to remain bachelor rather then marry to a girl who actually want to marry to your degree.


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Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:


It would be better to remain bachelor rather then marry to a girl who actually want to marry to your degree.


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Arjunkumar Shastry
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Originally posted by Shankar Iyer:
. Moreover , the diffrence between the respect and status earned in the society by an MBA grad and a technical guy is really ASTRONOMICAL .

Though we have adopted globalization,the mindset of looking at the things remains same.So in a social event,guy with MBA(working in a Finance firm) gets more attention than AJAX developer.!!Even if MBA guy starts his NGO wearing Khadi kurta ,he is in limelight by media.Never get disppointed by these things.People go for those things which are simple to understand.

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Being a non MBA also takes a toll on personal life , especially with girls these days gunning for guys with MBAs !!
Are these 1200 people from the IIMs the ultimate people and do they deserve all this kind of attention ???

Personally I have worked with people with degress from above institutes,I did not find anything exceptional(besides their 80 hours/week schedule).Girls(Indian) always go what their parents tell them."Social status and heirarchy".These are inherent in Indian society.


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Kj Reddy
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I feel we are over reacting if we think this way. Only Lateral Entrants(people who already have some experience) of IIMs getting very high salaries and not all. Any way I feel we will always get disappointed if we start comparing. Now a days a guy in India who is into real estate business without any formal educational qualification making lot of money, but no point comparing with them and getting frustrated.
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Vasu MuraliKrishnan
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Never compare an IIM MBA with other MBA...it does makes a lot of difference. If you feel that IIM MBA's are not worth the salt...then you're grossly wrong. They are definately a creamy lot. With the competition so high and the kind of drill they undergo while in campus makes them the best in the industry (particulary in leadership positions).

In India (or maybe in the entire world) rather than the degree you get, its the institution that makes the difference. The college next door might not find enough students into their BE or MBA courses...but IIT or IIM the competion is so high. That makes the difference. Only the good goes in the and the best comes out.

Girls...maybe they are commiting a serious mistake here if they look only @ the degrees earned
william gates
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It is the way of the world. Well much of the world.

A person with an MBA from a top tiered school will be looked at more favorably then somebody with an MBA from some no name college.


People, males and females, look at things like this all the time.

Just as a Doctor will get more respect than a programmer, an MBA will get more respecnt. It's just a simple fact of life. Some females will look at that fact. They only date "elite" people, even if those "elite" people aren't any better than you. It's all about a name. Nothing more. don't sweat the small stuff.
shan Iyer
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It is the way of the world. Well much of the world.
People, males and females, look at things like this all the time.
Just as a Doctor will get more respect than a programmer, an MBA will get more respecnt. It's just a simple fact of life.


Thats probably the reality we just got to accept and move on !
One thing thats surely within our reach is to move out of services sector and work for companies like SUN,Yahoo,Google,Microsoft which I think is surely attainable with a single minded and more focussed effort.
Vikrant Pandit
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Well the difference between a programmer and MBA graduate always existed and will always exist. It all depends on the value they add to the business. A programmer working for a month may only be able to add a fraction of value what a MBA grad can add in a day by clinching a major deal.
Until and unless you are an exceptional engineer,people will always respect a MBA grad more than you
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It is about value. If you are one of the top engineers, then yeah you probably get a lot more respect. But like most industries and careers, the majority of people are not the top anything. They are just avg or even above avg.

So that means most people maintain systems, upgrade systems and work more or less in a support role. Most IT depts are support roles. You support whatever the business does. And many non-IT workers look down upon the IT dept anyway.

So if you are an MBA who closes some multi-million dollar deal, you will be somebody the company smiles upon. However if you go too long without bringing in new clients or improving the revenues and reducing costs, you won't be so respected anymore.

It is about money. Many MBAs go on to do consulting type of work or high level management type of work. Jobs where they might work long hours, but sometimes they can get those million dollar bonuses even if they aren't that bright. It's really a glorified sales role these days with more responsiblities.
ankur rathi
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Originally posted by Shankar Iyer:


Thats probably the reality we just got to accept and move on !


You might think that I am pessimist but the point I want to make is: instead we should feel relatively lucky for the kind of job and especially salary we are getting on the basis of a 4 year degree course, where getting into is NO special, every second person (out of Math students) do that.

An IIM-ian is special and will be special in my view if I am seeing people based on qualification.

I know that the response is little harsh but lets face it.

And one more fact is, an IAS-ian is more special than IIM-ian.
Mark Herschberg
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Originally posted by Shankar Iyer:
I dont know if this the right forum to disscuss all this or whether moving this thread to meaningless drivel would be a better idea .


As the originator of the thread it's up to you. I'm ok leaving this here as it is a discussion about degrees, career paths, and their implications to lifestyle, but MD is also fine. (I suppose we would give more lattitude in terms of range of discussion in MD.)

Let me know if you want me to move it.

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Rambo Prasad
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I have comoe across IIM folks who are in very average positions and techie folks earning on par or more than iim guys in IT industry..


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Rahul Bhattacharjee
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I personally do not give much to degrees , but I see the institute / university that it belongs to.IIM graduate deserve a good salary then a BE from ABC institute of Technology , because IIM is IIM.Same thing for IIT.No wonder if a IIT graduate draws double of what Mr X (Mr X is from ABC institute of Technology)is drawing.


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Nitin Nigam
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I never had the aspiration to be an MBA. I was happy with my Techy Job that offered me enough challenges. I am proud of the work i do as a developer and hence i have high self respect. And this self respect automatically keeps my head high, no matter if others give more respect to MBA's etc.Most important thing is to love your job.

I shared flat with 2 IIM graduates for 1 year, and i saw them leaving home by 8:30 in the morning and returning back by 11 in the night, 6 days a week. I have my priorities very clear. I need decent money and enough time to enjoy this money. once you are an MBA, you will make money that is more than enough but you will also become hell busy. And i cannot afford to loose my golden years of life. I want to enjoy life, want to go places. And hence i am very happy without being MBA.

About girls going ga-ga over MBA's...I would like a girl who is interested in me, not my money(ofcourse i earn enough to lead a decent life with her)


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