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Question regarding current job and next career move

Janaki Raju
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Joined: Apr 14, 2008
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Hi all,

This is my first post here. I read many of the posts in this board with interest. Here is my question

I am currently working as a java developer . What can I do to position myself strongly for my next job search a few months from now , so that I can work in some of the technologies that I consider exciting like JSPs, Hibernate, Spring, Struts, EJBs ? I do love working in Java, but I also want to work in the other areas that I listed .

I realize certification is an option; would everyone here agree ?

Apart from certifications, what can I do to get some good hands on experience ? Any websites that give some sample projects/assignments which I can work on alongside the tutorials ?

Anything else that I can do ?

Thanks,
Jan
Nicholas Jordan
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Joined: Sep 17, 2006
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I got all the hands on experience you can handle, probably half a million lines of code - full of blunders and bad designs without any revision control system. I have numerous aching areas that could be brought up to useable code standards by someone with your level of expertise.

I do not have a company functional yet, many of the needful parts to running a business are already dry-run tested and ready for shakeout.

We don't want to end up

That always happens on real projects. I cannot pay anything nor make any commitments of even the slightest shade of employment or agreement, first we would have to formally agree that there is no agreement and do a 'hold harmless' You may take with you any work you do on the project to the extent that any work you do on the project is not a part of the project.

I know it sounds convoluted, it's just that I know about the Vultures.

:roll:
Janaki Raju
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Joined: Apr 14, 2008
Posts: 8
Hi Nicholas,

It seems to me that you are offering me a volunteer Java Programmer role . Have I understood you correctly ? If that's the case, then I am definitely interested. Ofcourse, as the very term "volunteer" suggests, I do not expect to be paid nor do I expect any employment commitment from you.

More on hearing from you.

-Jan
Nicholas Jordan
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I wish as our first work to choose another word than volunteer. I have great experience at getting through this front-end so let me lead the first few steps. Send me a private message with some contact data and whatever else you whish to put in there.

Whatever else you do, you must promise not to worry about hurting my feelings except to the extent that doing that keeps a professional appearance for others.

By acceptance, I infer we agree that we have no agreement. These are initial discussions. We agree that during initial discussions either party may discontiue discussion for any reason whether just or not. Only the doctrine of reasonable care applies.

What we will initially target is a showcase work that you can show to prospective employers. By sharing our work, we agreed on nothing. Your copy is your copy, my copy is my copy. Anything failing that is covered under Creative Commons. We may later make formal agreements, but only if substantiated by written documentation with proveable basis under Uniform Business Practices and reasonable and common doctrines of business and commerce.

I tried to getem to do a Whiskey license but I think they had been in the Saloon too long.
Janaki Raju
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Hi,

Bumping this thread up as I would love to hear others insights and opinions too. I hope I will hear from a few others.

Regards,
Jan
Mark Herschberg
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If you bump it up again this thread will be closed. Everyone wants their question answered and threads at the top are more likely. If everyone were to act so selfishly 50% of the posts would be people bumping their threads as opposed to useful content.

--Mark
Bobby Sharma
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Hi Jan,

Well,Nickey gave you excellent offer but you need other's opinion so ,here you go

Certifications will be worth only in decorating your resume ,may be
it will help you to get interview call ,sure it can but it does not guarantee you to get right the job you want.

Certifications more worth in Networking and Security field rather than
Application and Web Development.

For getting a job,you should develop your own one or two applications by using framework like Hibernate,Spring and Struts and your application
should be easy to use and understand ,you might want to think
about performance and security for your application.

Our author, Arulk Pillai says "Employer doesn't care Whether your experienced is paid or unpaid or self-taught.you have to create
good CV by providing URL of you works"

And as for sites and tutorials for your project/assignment please
spare me one or two days.

best regards,
omi sharma


Back to Java , again.
Janaki Raju
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
If you bump it up again this thread will be closed. Everyone wants their question answered and threads at the top are more likely. If everyone were to act so selfishly 50% of the posts would be people bumping their threads as opposed to useful content.

--Mark


Hi Mark,

I am sorry if I have broken any rules. I am new here and learning my way around. I was just trying to get more answers as I am genuinely interested in as many insights as I can get; but I do realize that this can quicly become an issue if all of us were to do that.

-Jan.

P.S: I know you are the sheriff and all that, but do you have to use such a stern tone ? I think most of us respond reasonably to a gentler form of warning.
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I am currently working as a java developer . What can I do to position myself strongly for my next job search a few months from now , so that I can work in some of the technologies that I consider exciting like JSPs, Hibernate, Spring, Struts, EJBs ? I do love working in Java, but I also want to work in the other areas that I listed .

I realize certification is an option; would everyone here agree ?


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Henry Wong
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What can I do to position myself strongly for my next job search a few months from now , so that I can work in some of the technologies that I consider exciting ....


Keep in mind that your manager is probably not oblivious. It's not impossible to tell that someone already has one foot out the door.

Henry


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Nicholas Jordan
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Originally posted by Janaki Raju:
(...snip...)

P.S: I know you are the sheriff and all that, but do you have to use such a stern tone ? I think most of us respond reasonably to a gentler form of warning.

-Jan.


Well then I suggest you moderate whatever I might have said to omi sharma's observations. It did not take me longer than thirty seconds or a minute to see that their work applies what I know from much field work to be exactly what I would have any new-hire have as an often absent and highly-desirable skillset. What they are talking about causes me no end of delay.

Based on how this thread is developing that would be of much greater use to you than anything I can offer. What needs of a potential employer could you write some java for? I may have overdone it somewhat in my remarks, omi's mild rebuttal just brings to the table some needed clarifications. For what it is worth, if I was considering someone to write networking code Certification would be something I would give heavier weight to compared than when writing application code - so these guys know what they are doing.

E.G. Write me an Electronic voting control system resistant to reporting delays by protecting all reports with a Public Key. Show how the public key can be used to provide short lead time responsiveness in reporting that can be verified later. Implement a compartmenalization at the Public Key level that splits off some information in a manner that individual workers can use as a Signature Object for their part of the work. Describe how emotive human dynamics can be used to break the compartmentalization and how an internally generated one-time pad can be used in controlled areas to provide verification of the Public Key system.

If you find this difficult, then you owe Mr. Herschberg an apology. Do not become overly concerned, that would be the mark of a beginner. That is what we are trying to rise above. What I describe as your virtual assignment is what I am working on right this moment and taking time out from to answer your post.

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