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Hi, I am rahul I completed my B.Tech(2005)I wasted one year for GRE and couldnot get it,than I learn Java/J2EE technologies in 8 months so I wasted 3 years now I have grip in core java,servlets,jsp,struts, and good knowledge in EJB.My problem is I couldnot go for fresher jobs so,I wanted to put 3 years fake experience I think is this no option for me, if I kept 3 years fake experience could I survive in Industry. I am in dilemma If I kept 3 years fake experience is it possible to survive in industry .
please suggest me depending upon your suggestion my life is depended.
Hi Rahul This is the same situation with me .I am 2006 pass out student ,have done B.E. and after that learnt java/j2ee technology.I have also cleared SCJP 5.0. Now doing preparation for SCWCD.But could not get the job till now .
Some time i also think about fake experience but dont know how to get it .Please if you have some knowledge or their adderess who can help me in getting this fake experience ,please share with me. Else anybody who can give us suggestion to avoid this fake process ,please suggest us.How can we tackle this situation .
I am also on the same boat as pardeep and rahul. I wasted all my years after my mechanical engineering (2005 passout) for establishing my own business but failed. 4 months back I started preparing for java, now i feel very much comfortable with it. But unable to get any job untill now rather any interview call.
I have heard some companies in Noida, provide java/j2ee training and assured placement on completition but i doubt their credibility.
So please help us how to get a good java job avoiding this fake experience.
"please suggest me depending upon your suggestion my life is depended."
Don't make your life dependent on others suggestions. Upheavals are part of life & everyone has to go through them now & then.
There are lots of companies in NCR region which can get you a no-pay job but it will certainly help you to gain not only valuable experience but also enrich your mind with actual IT field nuances. Fake experience at this point of time wont be a right choice as all good companies do background check for at least last 2 companies. so what I advise you is, join any small company[even for no pay] & change 3 companies in next 2 years. & then adjust your wasted years in first companies tenure. Wazirpur industrial area[near Ashok vihar] has lots of such mushrooming companies. Maxim infotech is one of them I did my final year project there.
Originally posted by rahul dravid: My problem is I could not go for fresher jobs
Why not? It sounds like you are one as you don't have any experience. My team had someone start as a fresher (entry level here in the States) when he was about 30. He had taught for a while and then decided to study computer science.
if I kept 3 years fake experience could I survive in Industry.
No. Do not lie on your resume. If you get caught, you will likely be fired. And you will get caught. There is a huge different between someone with no (on the job) experience and someone with three years experience.
if I kept 3 years fake experience could I survive in Industry
Never make that mistake... 3 years is a lot of time and if you show three years of fake experiences you will almost certainly get caught , and if you are caught you will find yourself in a much bigger mess, getting out of which will become very difficult. In the very extreme case its fine to show a fake experience of about 4-6 months but then too only in very extreme situations. The best option is make Job Hunting your full time job as posted earlier as well. One option is do some impressive and practical projects on your own and include them on your Resume, this will show that you have the subject knoweldge. Get certified from Sun or Microsoft depending on your interests. And most important is never give up remember you are one good interview away from success
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Originally posted by abhishek pendkay: In the very extreme case its fine to show a fake experience of about 4-6 months but then too only in very extreme situations.
This is an opinion. My opinion is that you should NEVER show fake experience.
And believe it or not, there is a difference between someone with no experience and a month of experience. If someone lies about their experience, they are likely to get caught. I would think the person is either a poor developer "they learned nothing in this 6 months of experience; why should I invest in training" or "they lied; why should I invest in training"
Rahul, we all can understand your frustration. It can be so difficult to get that 1st job in India, spl. in this market. Its like a vicious cycle...you don't get a job without experience, and how do you gain experience without a job? The system has become extremely competitive to the point of insanity and ignores even job-specific skills like yours. Someone suggested ways to get a job, and I think they are quite good. Another option can be doing online projects ..you can search on the internet and on sites like www.codeguru.com. I have a friend of a friend who has a company that gets a lot of short projects. I'l try to see if you can get a share, but mind you, the technologies involved may not be java always.And please,please do not put too much hopes on this, all I can promise is trying for you. I'l update this post whenever I find something.
I don't know if this is of help -- but it is amazing how small the industry is. I have several contacts (either colleagues, clients, etc.) who has more that two relationship paths -- some of which are completely different from each other.
People who you work with, work for, converse with, or just encounter via business relationships, can be encountered again. You may not believe this as you are just starting out as a fresher, but your reputation is among your most valuable asset.
Yes, the industry is smaller than what people realize. I can tell if someone is lying on their resume' though it would take much greater hours in this industry than what I have to tell from a few hundred lines of code, but I know that lying on a resume for whatever reason is really, really ill-winds on an otherwise difficult surface. One thing that is acceptable is to show hours worked on student projects, if those projects addreass realistic problems.
I was reading a very advanced book yesterday and a well grounded writer made remark on how an advanced site was unusual for it's nature of actually getting something done rather than discussing esoteric splits that have limited value.
I wish to note for this discussion that I could spot the work of one who was not only a holder of an advanced degree but as well had decades of experience in actual field work. I had spotted that person on the virtually the first post I read. I slip what jokes I can between the Saloon Boardwalls, but this is actually not a joking subject at all. People's lives depend on employment and if you get established, it will become like Henry says. Excessive moaning will not do any good either as complianers will get weeded out in the second pass, long before interview. That's why some of us have less than zero tolerance for trivial interview questions that do not serve detection of coding skills.
There are several good advices here, I suggest arulk pillai's post of June 01, as the definitive framework for the other seasoned moderator's responses.
I know, I have to disentangle messes that get ahead of that framework. It is neiter fun, nor professional, nor cool. I do not see where we are going to get a lot done here other than let the Moderators do their job.
I can suggest couple of small(very small) companies in Hyderabad who recruit java candidates irrespective of their year of passing out.Those companies are:
i) prapan solutions in ameerpet. ii)Future cyber tech in Secunderabad.
The first company pays very less about 5000pm and you have to sign on a bond for one year.Coming to second company you wont be paid until you prove your talent.
as some one asked like where can i get fake experience..if you have ever visited Ameerpet you would have known about them.Dont loose hopes,i have seen many people who joined companies with fake experience are earning more money than genuine peopl(By saying this i am not encouraging you peole to put fake experience in your resume.)
why dont you join a call center or college as a lecturer and search for a job while earning some money..I have seen a guy who is 2005 pass out and he is teaching JAVA in Ameerpet Naresh technologies and he is the ace lecturer in Hyderabad and i guess his monthly income is in lakhs per month..There are many opportunites which you dont see..Please broden your view of thinking.And never loose hopes keep trying till you get the job..
According to me showing Fake Experience is not too BAD, However you have to Expert in what You learn. I personally believe People who learn more than 20+ hours per day during you job search and try to getting into a company showing FAKE Experience will not Affect both the Employee and Employer.
Companies will know you are Fake or Not when they hire, because it is very easy to ask some question which reates to your daily work, and they find out you that you are FAKE. However they will show to you, BUT if you are NOT performing well after getting into a Project then they will show their real face...
Some time FAKE Guys will be more talented than the real 3+ guy,However you need to face lot of difficulties how to speak with the managers which you can speak which you should not speak to him..This will take time to get yourself in the real software World... then you don't feel that you are Fake.. BELIEVE IN YOU TECHNICAL SKILLS WHICH WILL ALWAYS HELP YOU [ June 10, 2008: Message edited by: Abdul Kader ]
I've moved into Java/J2EE field after working for the first 7 years of my career(11-years old now) in MSFT technologies. When i made the shift, i didn't had a job in hand, and was on bench for 1.5 months attending job interviews.
During these 1.5 months i learnt STRUTS (J2EE web framework) and developed a website for managing the consultant details for my company. I clearly told in the interview that i did the project in-house and convinced them by stating the best design practices, etc. that i adopted. I never felt shy to take up the first java developer job that came my way, and within a span of 2 years i spent a lot of time learning J2EE by executing many parallel projects (i was a freelance consultant). My hourly rates rose accordingly.
The moral of the story is never feel shy to take up the oppurtunity that comes along, and NEVER fake your job experience. This puts additional burden on you and can lower your efficiency on the job.
Originally posted by prashant bhardwaj: It can be so difficult to get that 1st job in India, spl. in this market. Its like a vicious cycle...you don't get a job without experience, and how do you gain experience without a job?
This is true everywhere, not only in India.
JavaBeginnersFaq "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, and today is a gift; that's why they call it the present." Eleanor Roosevelt
As most had posted before, do NOT fake your experience. You will get caught either during the interview or later when you are working, and you will be in deep trouble because most companies do not tolerate that and your reputation will forever tarnished as not reliable and has no integrity..does not matter wether you have the skills or not as implied by Abdul.
If the company knowingly hires/keeps you knowingly you fake your experience, than the company itself has no integrity and will screw you as employee and screw their clients and partners which will make their business dry up very fast. With that situation, how will you look for another job? Because people will see you as someone coming from the bad company.