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Is only SCJP certificate anough for job

Arijit Daripa
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Being an SCJP 1.5 is it possible for an ordinary graduate(not having Computer Science in course) to get a programmer's job?


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Jimmy Clark
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Yes, it is possible. Many of the best �programmers� come from Art and Music programs. Good software design requires a significant amount of creativity and design skills. These areas are typically not developed in Computer Science programs. Communication and writing skills are also very important to "programming". Many �programmers� come from English programs as well.

If you know how to program and can present yourself properly in an interview, you shouldn�t have a problem. You need to practice for your interviews and develop a �sales� presentation for yourself. You have to be confident and speak with confidence.
arulk pillai
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If you know how to program and can present yourself properly in an interview, you shouldn�t have a problem. You need to practice for your interviews and develop a �sales� presentation for yourself. You have to be confident and speak with confidence.


Well said and to add further, promote yourself as a well balanced candidate with both technical and soft skills. Not just as a techie/academic with just tons of certificates.

-- Use SAR (Situation Action Results) techniques in your resume & interview.
-- Use Action Verbs in your resume.
-- Highlight your achievements.
-- Reflect back on your experience (Java related or non Java related) work experience to highlight your soft skills
-- Make sure that your resume is concise, well-formatted, credible, key areas are covered, vital information is in the first page (most resumes are scanned (20- 40 seconds) not read, should address employers' needs not yours.

A very few professionals take the effort in marketing aspects of their career. It is vital to brush up the java/J2EE concepts and reflect back on your experience/skills etc prior to interviews in order to effectively promote your strengths, experience, skills and ability. Taking this extra effort can lead to benefits such as multiple job offers, multiple interviews, empowerment to pick and choose the job based on your career aspirations, negotiate your salary/rates more effectively, etc.


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Arijit Daripa
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Originally posted by arulk pillai:


-- Use SAR (Situation Action Results) techniques in your resume & interview.
-- Use Action Verbs in your resume.
-- Highlight your achievements.
-- Reflect back on your experience (Java related or non Java related) work experience to highlight your soft skills
-- Make sure that your resume is concise, well-formatted, credible, key areas are covered, vital information is in the first page (most resumes are scanned (20- 40 seconds) not read, should address employers' needs not yours.


Thanks a lot for the advice
Pratiksha patil
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Could you please give me more exaplanation on these

-- Use SAR (Situation Action Results) techniques in your resume & interview.
-- Use Action Verbs in your resume.

what exactly the resume should contain for SAR? please give one example
arulk pillai
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SAR - (Situation Action Result)


Situation:Java code that is hard to maintain and reuse. Changes to one module may break another module.

Action:Refactored the code with OO concepts and design patterns in a test driven manner.

Result:The application becomes easier to maintain, extend, and reuse.


You can now construct the sentence as shown below:

-- Refactored inefficient code by applying OO concepts and design patterns (GoF & JEE) in a test driven manner to make it more maintainable and reusable.


Using Action Verbs

-- Identified and fixed hard to reproduce transactional and concurrency issues in a Java/JEE based Web application for ABC limited.

-- Applied design patterns and OO design concepts to improve the existing Java/JEE based code base for PQR limited by refactoring with test driven development principles.


More action verbs at http://www.bc.edu/offices/careers/skills/resumes/verbs.html
Pratiksha patil
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Thanks Arulk.

Now my resume will be more effective. Thanks a lot.
Thamizh Velan
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Originally posted by Pratiksha patil:
Thanks Arulk.

Now my resume will be more effective. Thanks a lot.


You're in a service agreement(bond) and you still have an updated resume
Just kidding!
It is always good to have an updated resume in hand.
[ September 18, 2008: Message edited by: Thamizh Velan ]

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Billy Tsai
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how many pages should a resume be for some1 with 5 years expereience?


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Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
how many pages should a resume be for some1 with 5 years expereience?

Are you in a country that uses resumes or CVs? A resume should be 1 page. (possibly two if you have a boatload of experience, but this is contested). A CV would be longer.


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how many pages should a resume be for some1 with 5 years expereience?


A resume for an individual with 1 to 5 years of experience should typically be 1 or two pages. What really matters is the quality of the content and how it is formatted. Two pages of garbage will probably annoy people and be thrown in the trash immediately. If the resume is written poorly, using too much technical jargon or contains repetitive sentences, this is no good either.
Glen Cai
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I heard someone said that the smartest people do not have a degree and certificate. They award degrees to you and create certification programs for you to go through. For example, Bill Gates.


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Billy Tsai
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so is a resume with 3 pages acceptable or should it be called a CV instead?
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Jimmy Clark
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...some1 with 5 years expereience?


Billy Tsai, it is unlikely that someone with 5 years of professional experience will have accomplished enough unique experiences to fill three pages in a well-formatted, well-written resume. If you write too much trivial content, the resume will most likely go in the garbage within 30 seconds. It all depends on the individual and how the sentences are written.

Three page resumes should include financial statistics. We want to see significant numbers. We want to see how much money you have generated or how much money you have saved.
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Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
so is a resume with 3 pages acceptable or should it be called a CV instead?


Well, I don't care if it is called a resume or a CV, I generally only look at the first 2 pages (The rest I only skim). I am pretty sure that there are some with so much experience that they need more than two pages -- but why go to the third page? isn't that for experience more than 10 or 20 years ago?

If you can't cover the last 10 years in two pages, then you are either (1) have too much useless details, or (2) changed jobs many many times. Neither looks that good for a resume, IMHO.

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arulk pillai
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Three page resumes should include financial statistics. We want to see significant numbers. We want to see how much money you have generated or how much money you have saved.



Very true. Employers are interested in

-- How well you performed a task, NOT just a shopping list of all the tasks you performed. Your resume should give your recruiter the confidence that you could do the job based on your past results.

For example: An ordinary phrase would be:

My responsibility included design and development of the payment and claims module.


The above phrase can be replaced with a more effective phrase as follow:

Designed and developed the payment and claims module, which is capable of handling 120 requests per second and runs as a true 24 x 7 system module.



What the recruiters are looking for is the impact of your tasks or activities on the organization. Quantify your information as much as possible by including dollar amount, time frames, how many, how big, how much, how often, and so on. Just like a picture is worth thousands words, quantifying by using numbers in your resume can make a huge difference.


If you can't cover the last 10 years in two pages, then you are either (1) have too much useless details, or (2) changed jobs many many times. Neither looks that good for a resume, IMHO.



In addition, if the first two pages are not impressive, your remaining pages are not going to be read anyway. Unless handed in via a networking, most resumes are scanned as opposed to read and you have only ~15-30 seconds to persuade your prospective employer to read further based on first two pages.
Edvins Reisons
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When my CV was two pages in length, I got, rather frequently, requests for additional information (for example, during an interview; "please tell me in more detail what you were doing there�").
Now, when the document has grown to four pages, this issue appears resolved. And so far, no one has asked me to give them a shorter version
 
 
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