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Jobless , Should I move to Network/System Administration?

Bobby Sharma
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I am 25 now and still jobless.I am frustrated,tired and bored to find jobs,
all jobs require at least three years of experience as you all know.

The truth is I created a small web application in Java with very difficulty.
I love Java but due to my lack of problem solving skills,domain knowledge it
is very hard to create application.(I know only e-business domain)

I am MBA IT and not from math background,
just know a little maths(Matrices,sets,relations,statistics).

Are Programming and Development good for me?
Should I move to system/network administrator role?

However,I have a option to do a Job in my territory which does not require development skills but just MS-office and mail reading and little management.I don't see this job will help me in my career.

I really need a job ,I am very frustrated ,please guide me.

best regards,
omi


Back to Java , again.
Bob Hager
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Joined: Oct 23, 2008
Posts: 15
I cannot offer anything in the way of advise, especially that I'm unemployed myself (recently laid off and trying in vain to land another job) despite having +5 yrs of experience, a CS degree and a bunch of Java certs - which don't seem to make any difference..

What I'd like to ask though is: How on earth did you manage to pass SCWCD 5 exam - which I recall was VERY experience centric - without being able to EASILY patch together a webapp? Just curious really!
Bobby Sharma
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I practiced like a hell and read lots of tutorials,then I was able
to acquire 89% percent.However I scored less in design patterns and security.

best regards,
omi
Bob Hager
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Joined: Oct 23, 2008
Posts: 15
Hmm.. I see.

Way I look at it, if you've gone that far, and studied THAT hard to understand the material required to pass SCJP and SCWCD without having actually worked on real apps, then you probably:
1) HAVE the mindset to be a programmer.
2) are already too deep into java territory to back up now.

What makes you think Network or Sys Admins have it any better? What I'm trying to say is: Don't set yourself up for deeper frustration by spending more $$ & months/years doing a bunch of network/admin certs - only to find yourself in the exact same position you're in now where all the jobs you're applying for (most of which are fake BTW, posted by recruiters to collect resumes or to pump up their image) require experience..

Maybe it's the market, maybe we should dramatically lower our expectations - I mean it doesn't matter how much you've spent on your education, at the end of the day, it's supply & demand, and in the IT world, it seems to me that the supply of eager IT professionals far exceeds the demand.

Good luck man, and don't frustrate - remember there are TONS of others in the same boat as you. Try volunteering or working for scraps. Position yourself well for when the world economy picks up again (if ever).
Bobby Sharma
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You are right Bob,I should go deeper into Java and improve my problem
solving skills by reading others codes,books and articles.

But I must ask what's market of c++ with Unix flavor or C#.net as opposed to
Java/JEE ?

best regards,
omi
Henry Wong
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Joined: Sep 28, 2004
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I am sure this wasn't intended... but this question seems to imply that network and system adminstration is a backup type of role to development. This is absolutely not true. In some cases, it is actually harder to be a network and system adminstrator. They are on-call, and there are tons of new equipment that must be learned, and certifications that must be obtained.

Henry


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Bobby Sharma
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I can understand Henry ,system/network admin role is not easy.I wanted to move because I thought the leadership of Java is over and Network/System admin
is ever-green.

one more question ,Is c++ still on demand even at present condition ?

best regards,
omi
arulk pillai
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You are right Bob,I should go deeper into Java and improve my problem
solving skills by reading others codes,books and articles.


Also, learn to market your skills better than your competition. Try something different, for example starting a blog on Java and mentioning it on your resume, etc.
[ October 26, 2008: Message edited by: arulk pillai ]

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Arjun Shastry
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Joined: Mar 13, 2003
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Originally posted by omi sharma:
Are Programming and Development good for me?
Should I move to system/network administrator role?

Are you in India? Unfortunate thing in India is you rarely do development work once you cross 27/28 years and that too with MBA degree,as per Indian hiring standard,you are over-qualified to do coding.I am not saying every IT company follows this rule but many leading IT companies.
Try to focus on smaller/medium size companies.Global recession too is affecting companies so demanding salary is also a constraint.


MH
arulk pillai
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Try to get a volunteer role that can open doors for you. http://www.coderanch.com/t/421990/Jobs/careers/Handy-tips-some-work-experience
Bobby Sharma
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Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:

Are you in India? Unfortunate thing in India is you rarely do development work once you cross 27/28 years and that too with MBA degree,as per Indian hiring standard,you are over-qualified to do coding.I am not saying every IT company follows this rule but many leading IT companies.
Try to focus on smaller/medium size companies.Global recession too is affecting companies so demanding salary is also a constraint.


Arjun you scared me to hell man,if they don't let me do code ,that my
fate would be hell.As you already have perceived my management skill is
really bad(Because of I concentrated on Java/Oracle,some inferiority complex and personal problems).

best regards,
omi
Bobby Sharma
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Originally posted by arulk pillai:
Try to get a volunteer role that can open doors for you. http://www.coderanch.com/t/421990/Jobs/careers/Handy-tips-some-work-experience


Thanks Arulk ,you are the best ,I need to listen to guys like you.

I have option to work in water-resources where I only do data-operator
and entry work(Word and Excel).

Should I go for that job?

If I go for that job then I only have one hour a day and Sunday for Java.

best regards,
omi
Kj Reddy
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Joined: Sep 20, 2003
Posts: 1704
Originally posted by omi sharma:

I have option to work in water-resources where I only do data-operator
and entry work(Word and Excel).

Should I go for that job?


If you don't have any other job better to take it up. And try to use your Java skills in day to today of your job. For example think about making your data entry job automated which can be used by a person who doesn't know much about computers and you can tell about that project in your next interview.
Arjun Shastry
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Joined: Mar 13, 2003
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Originally posted by omi sharma:


Arjun you scared me to hell man,if they don't let me do code ,that my
fate would be hell.
omi

What I am saying is big companies prefer that way.Focus on small and medium sized companies as you are doing it right now.
Bobby Sharma
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KJ Reddy : thanks for you suggestion , I will try hard to do what you advised me.Actually I thought about doing that kind of thing.

ArJun : ok, I got you , thanks.

best regards,
omi
 
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