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Moving a topic to another forum

Pranav Pal
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Joined: Nov 04, 2007
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When a rancher posts a new topic in an irrelevant forum, any sheriff or bartender moves the topic to the relevant forum. But after moving also the topic is visible in both the forums, in which case we can say that the topic is copied, not moved. But I think this should not be the case and the topic should be visible in only the relevant forum.


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Mani Ram
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Though the topic is visible on both the forums, the one is the irrelevant forum will be in 'Closed' state and hence no more updates will be possible on that forum. Hence no harm done!


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Nicholas Jordan
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It is blocked in the forum in which originally posted, but a link is left there so readers can find the new forum if they we participating in the discussion.


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fred rosenberger
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Well, the moderator actually has the option of keeping or removing the 'old' version. If it's kept, it gets locked automatically.

but Pranav, lets assume you post a thread in "Java in General - Beginners". I determine it would be a better fit in the "Swing" forum, so I move it there, with the original being deleted.

Now, you come back. You know you posted in JiG - B, so you go there. Your thread is now gone. You have NO idea where it is.

Moderators get enough flak for moving threads when we DO leave a trail behind. If there was no easy way for someone to find where there thread went, our headaches would increase by a factor of 10.

Yes, someone could go and check there "my recent posts" and see where there thread is now, but most people wouldn't do that. Heck, even with the great big "Your thread has been moved to HERE" at the top of the closed thread, we STILL get posts and emails saying "Why did you close my thread??".

Since the original gets locked, it usually disappears off the first page pretty quickly, yet can still be found by the original poster. It really makes the most sense to us, and saves us some (but not all) headaches.


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Pranav Pal
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Fred, Thank you very much for your reply.I am almost satisfied by your explanation. But still I want to mention a case.

There is/was a topic "is it true? SCJP score is not mentioned in certificate" in the forum "JNLP and Web Start". Then the topic was moved to the forum "Programmer Certification (SCJP)" . Now the topic appears three times in the saloon. Once in the "JNLP and Web Start" forum, which is closed topic. And twice in the "Programmer Certification (SCJP)" forum. In this forum, the topic is both closed and open. Will you please tell me why this is the case?

Thanks again...
Ben Souther
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Joined: Dec 11, 2004
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The important thing is, no matter how many times a thread gets moved, there is only one copy to which people can write.

This does two things:
1.) Insures that the conversation is not actually spread out across all the other copies.

2.) Makes sure that the original poster can follow the link trail to locate the one that is writable.

As Fred mentioned, having 3 copies is not a problem because, once locked, the thread will gradually sink into the abyss of oblivion. This happens quickly in busy forums and not so quickly in slower forums but the locked versions do not cause any harm.


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fred rosenberger
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I can think of a few ways there would end up with two copies in a single forum.

1) the thread started in forum X. A moderator of that forum moved it to forum Y. A different moderator, who is unaware of the first thread, reads it and thinks it really does belong in X. Since they are often unaware that the thread was moved in and not created, they move it again.

2) I think this more likely - the person who originally asked the question posted it in two forums. We try to close or delete duplicate threads. But again, if a Moderator in forum Y moves it to forum X not knowing that thread is already there, it would create two open versions of that thread. Then, the mod of forum X sees two, and closes one or the other.

Some moderators trash duplicate copies of a thread, others just close one. There is no 'rule' on what is supposed to be done.
Nicholas Jordan
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Joined: Sep 17, 2006
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Originally posted by Fred Rosenberger:
...(snip)...Moderators get enough flak for moving threads when we DO leave a trail behind. If there was no easy way for someone to find where there thread went, our headaches would increase by a factor of 10.

Yes, someone could go and check there "my recent posts" and see where there thread is now, but most people wouldn't do that. Heck, even with the great big "Your thread has been moved to HERE" at the top of the closed thread, we STILL get posts and emails saying "Why did you close my thread??".

...(snip)...


Bearing in mind the acclimatization phase has a flat-curve on the entrance, I note that it was a very long time before I realized that the my posts was being kept in sync() - I really thought someone was tinkering with my mind when an updated Meaningless Drivel post bubbled to the top of the my posts list. In general, people should have enough Patience {The ability to endure waiting, delay, or provocation without becoming annoyed or upset,}... but that confilcts with the flat on the intro-curve.

Some posts just to not classifiy cleanly into fora ( plural of fourm ), nor will all agree on what constitutes valid discussion - note the lengthy and verbose nature of rfc's. I think, it is my observation, that if a post is moved out of beginner, we cannot expect the poster to have acclimatized to navigation of saloon.javaranch - and thus, because of jr's noteworthy work to reach the beginner, a note of some kind telling the beginner to check My Posts if they cannot find their work should be easily findable within the beginner scope.
[ February 02, 2008: Message edited by: Nicholas Jordan ]
Pranav Pal
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Thanks to everyone for replying....
 
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