# A little geometry and algebra anyone?

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posted 12 years ago

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Once again stretching (or maybe breaking) the limits of ascii art:

If 1,2,3,4,5 are squares (yes even the ones that look like parallelograms ), and join at the corners (that maybe you can imagine :roll: ), prove that the area of square 3 is equal to the area of triangle T.

p.s. I extended the bases of 2 and 5 to indicate they are on the same line as the corner of 3.

[ November 19, 2003: Message edited by: Bert Bates ]

[ November 19, 2003: Message edited by: Bert Bates ]

If 1,2,3,4,5 are squares (yes even the ones that look like parallelograms ), and join at the corners (that maybe you can imagine :roll: ), prove that the area of square 3 is equal to the area of triangle T.

p.s. I extended the bases of 2 and 5 to indicate they are on the same line as the corner of 3.

[ November 19, 2003: Message edited by: Bert Bates ]

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posted 12 years ago

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how's this for a non-ascii version? (not to scale)

updated my snazzy diagram to better meet Bert's specifications

[ November 20, 2003: Message edited by: Jessica Sant ]

updated my snazzy diagram to better meet Bert's specifications

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Jim Yingst

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Hmmm, I think I'll go insane if I try show diagrams of each step, so I'll just outline the process.

If we let

a = sides of square 2

b = sides of square 5

c = sides of square 3

Then it's easy to see that the two triangles under 3 are identical (though in different orientation). So we have

Area of 3 = c^2 = a^2 + b^2

Now let

d = sides of square 1

e = sides of square 4

It can be shown that

d^2 = 4a^2 + b^2

e^2 = a^2 + 4b^2

Now to get area of T we need

T = de sin θ / 2

where θ is the bottom angle of T. If we draw a vertical line through that bottom corner we can divide θ into two parts α and β. which are actually the same as the angles made by the bottommost edges of 1 and 4 with the horizontal. So we can say

sin θ = sin(α + &beta = sin α cos β + cos α sin β

T = (de/2) sin θ = (de/2)[(b/d)(2b/e) + (2a/d)(a/e)] = (1/2)[2b^2 + 2a^2] = a^2 + b^2

If we let

a = sides of square 2

b = sides of square 5

c = sides of square 3

Then it's easy to see that the two triangles under 3 are identical (though in different orientation). So we have

Area of 3 = c^2 = a^2 + b^2

Now let

d = sides of square 1

e = sides of square 4

It can be shown that

d^2 = 4a^2 + b^2

e^2 = a^2 + 4b^2

Now to get area of T we need

T = de sin θ / 2

where θ is the bottom angle of T. If we draw a vertical line through that bottom corner we can divide θ into two parts α and β. which are actually the same as the angles made by the bottommost edges of 1 and 4 with the horizontal. So we can say

sin θ = sin(α + &beta = sin α cos β + cos α sin β

T = (de/2) sin θ = (de/2)[(b/d)(2b/e) + (2a/d)(a/e)] = (1/2)[2b^2 + 2a^2] = a^2 + b^2

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Bert Bates

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Jessica -

cool pix - but... :

- lower corner of 1 meets upper left corner of 2

- right corner of 3 meets upper left of 5

- lower right of 4 meets upper right of 5

Jim - OK, I'll see if I can figure out what you just said... the good news is, I don't think your answer gave it away for many people

OK Jim, first question:

how did you make that leap?

[ November 19, 2003: Message edited by: Bert Bates ]

cool pix - but... :

- lower corner of 1 meets upper left corner of 2

- right corner of 3 meets upper left of 5

- lower right of 4 meets upper right of 5

Jim - OK, I'll see if I can figure out what you just said... the good news is, I don't think your answer gave it away for many people

OK Jim, first question:

It can be shown that

d^2 = 4a^2 + b^2

e^2 = a^2 + 4b^2

how did you make that leap?

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Bert Bates

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As master and commander of this particular puzzle, on this forum, I hereby declare Jim's answer null and void

(Actually, I'm sure he got it right, in about 1/20th the time it took me :roll: )

However, no "then at step 2 a miracle occurs" solutions will be accepted.

Jess, any chance you'll update your fine picture?

(Actually, I'm sure he got it right, in about 1/20th the time it took me :roll: )

However, no "then at step 2 a miracle occurs" solutions will be accepted.

Jess, any chance you'll update your fine picture?

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Well, do you want it "given away", or not?

Just draw in two horizontal and two vertical lines from the four corners of square 3, toward the center. You thus form a spiral of four triangles, each with side lengths a & b (plus hypotenuse c) and a square in the middle with side length b-a (assuming b > a, otherwise it's a - b). From this it's easy to find two right triangles which demonstrate that

d^2 = (2a)^2 + b^2

e^2 = a^2 + (2b)^2

Those same two right triangles can be used in a subsequent step to figure out what the sine and cosine of α and β are.

[ November 20, 2003: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]

Just draw in two horizontal and two vertical lines from the four corners of square 3, toward the center. You thus form a spiral of four triangles, each with side lengths a & b (plus hypotenuse c) and a square in the middle with side length b-a (assuming b > a, otherwise it's a - b). From this it's easy to find two right triangles which demonstrate that

d^2 = (2a)^2 + b^2

e^2 = a^2 + (2b)^2

Those same two right triangles can be used in a subsequent step to figure out what the sine and cosine of α and β are.

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Bert Bates

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Jessica, thanks for your amazing picture!

Jim, my hat's off to you! Took me about two pages of formulas and equations...

It just encourages me however, to find a puzzle that will slow you down

Jim, my hat's off to you! Took me about two pages of formulas and equations...

It just encourages me however, to find a puzzle that will slow you down

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