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Show Me Where Is Java. Sun pulling support for Java after the JDK 1.4 ???

Jerry Maguire
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Joined: May 13, 2001
Posts: 2
Hi Die Hard Java fans,
Here is something for you.
WARNING: NOT for those with a weak heart, may cause a heart-attack!!!
The post:
Sources very close to Sun have reported that the company is pulling support for Java after the JDK 1.4 release. They have been working for the past two years on a replacement for Java (to compete with the more efficient C# from Microsoft). Sources say that the current development name is C* (or "C Star"). It includes true pointer notation and can either be interpreted or compiled. Many developers inside Sun have reported that the new language is a mix of C++, Cobol, ADA and RPG. It is due to be announced along with Java's demise sometime in the third quarter. As far as Java's future, there are rumors that Sun may turn Java into something like "GNU Java" for the open market.
I read this here: http://www.javalobby.org/discussion/showThreaded/frm/javalobby?folderId=20&discussionId=10498
So guys, what do you think. If this IS TRUE, then maybe after 2 years, boolean Java.isHot() will result in... FALSE? or boolean Java.exists() will result in False?
Or maybe after 2 years, if someone with a SCJP goes to an employer, will the employer shout "show me where is Java. Show Me Where Is Java. SHow ME WHere IS JAva. SHOW ME WHERE IS JAVA. SHOW ME WHERE IS JAVA. SHOW ME WHERE IS JAVA. SHOW ME WHERE IS JAVA. SHOW ME WHERE IS JAVA...
And what should the guy say to the employer... yes you guessed it "Show me the money, and I shall show you my C# certificate!!! SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY..."

Yours truly
Jerry Maguire.
Jane Griscti
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Moving this to Meaningless Drivel ...
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Cindy Glass
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Sounds like something MicroSoft would put out to better the case for c#. There is nothing that I could find on the Sun site to support that claim. And since the original posting in another forum (javalobby) had a "Story Source" listing that does not exist (anymore???) (http://india-java%20<india-java@topica.com>/) sounds like a lot of hot air to me.


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Jim Yingst
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Jerry- did you know that the word "gullible" can't be found in any dictionary? Seriously, you really need to learn how to read things critically, so that you can detect an OBVIOUS JOKE when someone makes it. Look at this sentence: "Many developers inside Sun have reported that the new language is a mix of C++, Cobol, ADA and RPG." Heck, why not mention FORTRAN and ALGOL? No one's going to be using Cobol, ADA, and RPG as the basis for a hot new language. And there's no way that "many" developers would report anything - if this were true, it would be a carefully-guarded secret at this point, since this story is NOT AVAILABLE anywhere in the real world. Maybe one or two employees might leak something, but there's no way that "many" developers at Sun would be willing to talk publicly about such sensitive information.
And this sentence - "It is due to be announced along with Java's demise sometime in the third quarter." Ummm... let's pretend for the sake of argument that Sun plans to completely stop all support of Java sometime this year. (Yeah, right.) Do you really think that anyone would be talking about it now yet they'd schedule an announcement about it for the THIRD QUARTER? They'd either announce something NOW, or they'd avoid saying anything at all until they knew for sure. There's no way that anyone who was actually in a position to know anything about Sun's plans would let anything like this slip out this far in advance, or that such information could be remotely reliable.
Moreover, if Sun stopped putting out new support for Java, that would hardly cause the immediate demise of Java. It's not as if our JDKs would cease to function. There's plenty of freely-available, working product out there which would continue to function even without Sun. Even if Sun planned on cutting Java support, it would hardly announce the "demise" of Java.
This whole article is obviously a joke. Not a very good one in itself, but whoever wrote this originally is obviously laughing at anyone foolish enough to believe it. It has been said that the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity - I'm not sure about the hydrogen part, but evidently there's no shortage of the latter.
By the way, "Jerry Maguire" is obviously a fictitious name in violation of the JavaRanch naming policy (another text it would benefit you to read carefully). Normally we don't enforce this in the Meaningless Drivel forum, but since you spammed four other groups with this "information" the rule very much applies to you. We also strongly discourage posting identical posts to multiple groups - see our FAQ for more info.

[This message has been edited by Jim Yingst (edited May 13, 2001).]


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Dinesh Pathak
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Joined: Nov 13, 2000
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I have little doubt that you are the same person who posted the message on the site that you mentioned. Sorry pal, your rumor mill won't work.
BTW Jim, why isn't Jerry Maguire a valid name???

[This message has been edited by Dinesh Pathak (edited May 13, 2001).]
Jim Yingst
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Say, I heard that Microsoft was discontinuing support of Windows after the release of XP. It must be true; I read about it on the net, right here. We should post urgent questions about this to all Micorosoft user sites - I'm sure they'd want to know.
Jim Yingst
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"Jerry Maguire" is a fictional character from a Tom Cruise movie (named, oddly enough, "Jerry Maguire"). The best-known quote of the movie is "show me the money!", which our fictional Jerry seems to be quite fond of. The name policy states that obviously fictitious names can be locked out.
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Jerry, next time if you want to ask about dead Java, go directly to http://sit.gmd.de/Lava/Eliza.htm � you�ll find more interested audience there. For example:
>> Hello.
How do you do. Please state your problem.
>> I wonder if Java is dead
Do you think its likely that java is dead ?
>> Some people say so
I'm not sure I understand you fully.
>> Today I read a post on JavaRanch about Java's death
You say today you read a post on javaranch about java's death ?
>> Yes, it what I said
You seem to be quite positive.
>> I am not as sure as you think
Is it because you are not as sure as I think that you came to me ?
>> No, I just want to know if Java is Dead
Are you saying no just to be negative?
>> Perhaps
You don't seem quite certain...


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Thomas Paul
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Imagine! A language with all the features of COBOL and RPG! I can hardly wait!
To turn this silly topic to something a little more meaningful, do you think Sun should turn Java over to a standards organaization?


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Money Maguire
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Joined: May 14, 2001
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Hi Javaranchers, I'm back! (btw in my earlier post, did I mention that "I'LL BE BACK"?)
Okay, so the smart guys at Javaranch figured out that the post at the link mentioned was a joke. But, what they obviously did not figure out was that my post was a joke too!!! Well not exactly a joke, but a way of sharing a joke with all of you. Instead of just flatly pointing you to the link, I thought why not make this little more exciting, and all of us can have a BIG LAUGH.
But what do I get...

By the way, "Jerry Maguire" is obviously a fictitious name in violation of the JavaRanch naming
policy (another text it would benefit you to read carefully). Normally we don't enforce this in the Meaningless Drivel forum, but since you spammed four other groups with this "information" the rule very much applies to you. We also strongly discourage posting identical posts to multiple groups - see our FAQ for more info.


It has been said that the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity - I'm not sure about the hydrogen part, but evidently there's no shortage of the latter.

So dear friend Jim is calling me gullible (btw Jim, the dictionary joke was a good one, you sure pulled one on me... Ha Ha Ha), stupid and who knows what else. SAD.
Aww c'mon guys, are we supposed to wear black when posting or reading posts from Javaranch? I am sorry that I did not read the faq, and posted in four forums. But please tell me a way of sharing something with everyone on Javaranch. I can swear with my hand on my heart that my intention was NOT to SPAM.
Anyways, Thomas Paul seems to be a nice and sensible guy, he did not call any names on me, and he wants to get down to some business. I really appreciate him because that is the way to go. i.e have a good laugh on the joke, and try to bring out something meaningful out of the whole thing.
Here are my thoughts on Sun turning over Java to a standards organization:
I had heard that Sun WAS going to turn over Java to a Standars organization, but pulled out at the 11th hour. The probable reason was that Sun was afraid of losing "control" over Java. So Sun formed the JCP (Java Commounity Process), which seems to be working fine for them.
I have some queries here.
- Could someone enlighten me on the "Standards" process?
- Would Sun really lose "control" (what is that supposed to mean anyways?) over Java once Java became a standard?
- What are the pros and cons of Java becoming a standard?
I am sorry for the unusually long post, and I hope that I am forgiven for the mistakes which I made, and also for those mistakes which I did not make!
Yours Truly,
Jerry "Money" Maguire.
Cindy Glass
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Posts: 8521
Jerry,
You have to understand just how TIRED we are of all of the hogwash about "Java is Dead". Granted that a good deal of it is out there to sell "virtual magazines", but some portion of it is put out there by MicroSoft supporters to cause uncertainty.
Sooooooo boring.
Personally I don't blame Sun for hanging on to Java. As soon as they let it go, they lose a hunk of the user loyalty that they get for offering it for free. Frankly they deserve to make a buck off of their efforts.
Thomas Paul
mister krabs
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Posts: 13974
If Sun turned Java over to a standards committee then yes, Sun would lose control. Standards committees can be very successful (ignoring C++). Many of the standards that we use are controlled by standards organizations (XML, UML, etc).
Money Maguire
Greenhorn

Joined: May 14, 2001
Posts: 2
Okay, these are some of the disadvantages of Java being made a standard(from Sun point of view). So what are the advantages (if any) of Java being made a standard? Could someone answer it taking into consideration all the perspectives i.e the Sun point of view, the Developer's point of view, and the user's point of view...
Thank you,
Jerry Maguire.
 
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