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nan sh
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Will clone person have the same intelligent as his/her/its original?
It is one of the three questions,which human being have been wondering for thousands years! what is intelligent, where it from?
If clone person has the same intelligent as its original, it means
we inherit intelligent , it's from gene, otherwise we still ask
"Why I am so smart?"


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Shama Khan
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I think with aid of technology, as in running the clone through an audio/video tape of one's life, we could try to make the clone as intelligent. That'd be a long shot though.
Recently someone said to me that, there is technology to make a product (pseudo-carrot) that has all the ingredients/chemicals that an original carrot has. Yet, the original carrot has something 'unknown' extra that can not be duplicated. I like to think, it's God's touch that's missing.
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Greg Harris
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i might start something i cannot control here, but here it goes...
i do not think cloning is a good idea... if you believe in the "soul" (and i think most of us do) then how can you possibly clone someone? sure, you can clone the physical body, but God is not going to provide a soul for that body. if we just clone bodies in order to get tissue or organs for transplants then that might be okay... but is it ethical? if you believe in the soul as i do, then the cloned body will not be the same as you and me... it will not have a soul, thus the question: "should the clone have the same rights as the rest of us?"
the next question is: "does intelligence come from something physical, such as DNA... or does intelligence come from someting intangible, such as the soul?"


what?
Dave Vick
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What are we really talking about here? Intelligence or knowledge.
To me, not having looked this up in a dictionary, intelligence is the ability to take in, process, and retain knowledge. This is probably a combination of both genetics and experience. You can train yourself to be more receptive to things and to concentrate more. Knowledge ont he other hand all comes from experience. You can have the most intelligent human on the planet and if he/she lives in a grass hut raising sheep all their life then you've got the best sheep herder in the world. Becasue that's all they've ever known.
The same would apply to a clone. Sure the genetics would be there maybe even the memories, but not the experience. You can share memories with a child but until they experience themselves they have not learned. Tell a child not to touch something because it's hot and they most likely will do it anyway - they burn their finger realize 'hey that hurt' and viola they have gained knowledge.
I wont get into the whole soul and life debate (I'm not sure where I stand on any of it anyway) but it is safe to say that it is a very complicated question and will probably be debated for quite a while to come.
What about this one....
What happens when we finally succeed in creating artificial intelligence??

Dave
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Shama Khan
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Ethics of cloning tends to be a controversial topic.
There are scientists who want to see how far can they go with an idea - but it is God who put the curiosity in our mind.
What troubles me are not the scientists but the businessmen who see profits to be made by products that scientists produce.
We could clone humans (it'd be like keeping a copy of yourself in your walk in freezer) just so that if you need a heart oneday, it'd be there for you. But knowing us humans as we are, we'd say but can't my clone do more for me - as in go to that boring business meeting for me so I could have a longer lunch.
I could really imagine that sometime in the near future, we'd be able to go to the clinic and hand in our DNA to be able to get a clone of ourselves for a million bucks. I am so much into conspiracy theories, that I'd be afraid to participate. What if someone wanted to eliminat me after my clone came into being.
Sincerely,
A technologist who is afraid of technology
Nathan Pruett
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Will clone person have the same intelligent as his/her/its original?


The good ol' nature/nurture debate... I personally believe no, that the mixture of your genetics and your experiences have made you who you are...


It is one of the three questions,which human being have been wondering for thousands years! what is intelligent, where it from?


What are the other two questions?

I think that if God made it possible to clone a human, he would give it a soul... However, several really cool science fiction stories could be written based on this plot ( and probably already are...)

Here are some interesting questions, just to spice up the discussion:

If you made a clone of yourself, and it were somehow possible to save all your memories and implant them in the clones brain, and then you died... What would happen? Would 'you' be dead? Would 'you' continue to live on through the clone?

This goes along with the soul question... What would happen if you and a clone of yourself were alive at the same time... would you share your soul? Would God provide a new soul for the clone, effectively making it a different person with your same body? Or would the clone be soulless ( and would this make the clone a monster? )?

Would those that created the clones even see them as human, since they had been manufactured? And how would this impact peoples view of other humans? ( Personally, I don't think that peoples view of other humans would change much from the current view ( If you disbelieve this, I dare you to take a drive through Boston... ) )

Discuss...
-Nate

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nan sh
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Other two questions are;
1 How our body works
2. How Universe works
Even the Bible told us already, but as we ate the apple, we want to know thing our way.
Rowan Brownlee
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I wonder about consciousness and replication. Is consciousness something tied to the individual, or is it distributed across the universe. Is it generated by and tied to the physical or can it exist independently?
Eager Beaver
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Will clone person have the same intelligent as his/her/its original?

Thats takes us to the primal question of what constitutes intelligence. I feel intelligence is that function of our mind which does the job of analytical reasoning based on accumulated experiences.
If clone person has the same intelligent as its original, it means we inherit intelligent

Far from it! You clone a physical entity which does not share the experiences of the original. The clone has to progress thru his/her own life cycle. Clone & original are as disparate as any 2 dissimilar persons as far as their experiences goes.

If you made a clone of yourself, and it were somehow possible to save all your memories and implant them in the clones brain, and then you died... What would happen? Would 'you' be dead? Would 'you' continue to live on through the clone?

Now, thats an interesting point. However, I have certain misgivings here. Can the clone associate itself consciously with the copied memory. They could be viewed as perfect humans. Absolutely.....no doubt on that score.
Is consciousness something tied to the individual, or is it distributed across the universe

Rowan has raised a valid question which strikes right at the root of this discussion on consciousness. I believe that consciousness is all pervading and the only constant in this universe. We are conditioned by our experiences and the surroundings which forms our frame of reference. Well, looks like this thread is taking a diff turn. Have to stop here lest I be labelled a thread hijacker....
Nathan Pruett
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Just thought of something... aren't identical twins 'clones'... now all someone needs to do is interview sets of identical twins and find out how their IQ compares...

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