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Falkner or Jones; JNDI?

robyne vaughn
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Do you cover any JNDI or LDAP topics in your book? Is it for beginners or advanced? Do you use practical examples or "fun" examples? Are your examples Model-View-Controller oriented?
I wish you success with your book. I hope it's one that would help me (a novice) have good success! I'll be looking at the sample chapters trying to decide whether it is one that will add enlightenment beyond what my current books provide.
Thanks,
Robyne
Ko Ko Naing
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Here is what I've extracted from the book official site. I hope it helps to answer your question...

Who is This Book For?
Servlets and JSP the J2EE Web Tier is designed for developers of all levels. The book assumes a reader is familiar with HTML and the basics of Java. The book starts by covering how to installing a Servlet/JSP environment and what is in the JSP 2.0, Servlet 2.4, and JSTL 1.0 specifications. After discussion of the raw technologies the book focuses on practial use of them. The later chapters of the book cover topics such as state management, design patterns, internationalization support, multi-client design, Java database connectivity. At all possible places Jayson and Kevin try to share the millions of little things, both in the specs and not, that they have learned from being long-time Servlet and JSP developers.
If you are a new user this book is for you. It starts from the basics and covers everything up to the most advanced topics. If you are an experienced developer this book provides a reference for the Servlet 2.4, JSP 2.0, and JSTL 1.0 specifications and a good discussion of advanced design paterns and problem solving techniques. If you are management you are advised to buy multiple copies, this is a book which will be permanetly borrowed by employees.


Co-author of SCMAD Exam Guide, Author of JMADPlus
SCJP1.2, CCNA, SCWCD1.4, SCBCD1.3, SCMAD1.0, SCJA1.0, SCJP6.0
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by robyne vaughn:
I'll be looking at the sample chapters trying to decide whether it is one that will add enlightenment beyond what my current books provide.

Here is the thread, in which there is a discussion about the three chapters available to download from the book's official website... You can have a look at them to taste the book...
http://www.coderanch.com/t/357743/Servlets/java/Three-Free-Chapters-download
John Cogan
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I must say that the website looks pretty uninspiring, especially since it is one of the main selling points of the book.


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Ko Ko Naing
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I must say that the website looks pretty uninspiring, especially since it is one of the main selling points of the book.

What do u mean by the word "pretty uninspiring" in this context? I guess every website that was primarily built for the book is to promote and sell the book... Basically writing a book is to sell the book, not to keep in the publisher's stock storage room... I just want to know your meaning and opinion about the website... I do respect your critism... The world without critism won't improve itself...
robyne vaughn
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Many thanks for the links. Any news about JNDI?
Robyne
Kevin Jones
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JDNI is not covered in any depth in the book. There is a small section in the chapter on databases, but it is only there as a way of introducing how to get a JDBC Connection.
Is there anything in particular that you wanted to know?


Kevin Jones<br />Author: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321136497/jranch-20" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Servlets and JSP: The J2EE Web Tier</a>
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Kevin Jones:
Is there anything in particular that you wanted to know?

I have one question, Mr.Kevin... Does the book have any section that compares the JSP and Servlet Technology with MS .Net technology and Open-source PHP?
Jayson Falkner
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Just a side-note on the book's website and who the book is targeted to. The book assumes you don't know much about servlets, JSP, and web applications. The focus of the book is to teach you everything you would want to know about Servlets and JavaServer Pages, with a focus on the things that are especially helpful. The book builds from installing Java/Tomcat, to learning servlets, to learning JSP, to learning good design patterns such as Model 2, to state management issues, i18n issues, working with non-HTML formats, and database connectivity. As Kevin mentioned, JDBC is thrown in with a decent overview and some good examples of how to connect to existing databases, but we tell readers that they should pick up another book if they need to learn how to properly build and manage a database.
The book support site is something that demonstrates the book's code is actually helpful. The idea is that the site is built by combining many of the code examples in the book (i.e. the code isn't "fun" examples), and this also makes the site an ideal place to bring together the concepts of Model 2, response compression/caching, file uploading, good JSTL use, clean JSP coding, database connectivity, etc... However, the book support site is limited in that we wanted to be able to fit it in the book and be able to give source-code that most everyone could reuse/enhance. Not to say the site is shabby by any means, but we certainly limited ourselves to keeping things clean and simple.
Odds are if you know a lot about JSP and Servlets, you might not find this book too helpful, especially if you already know all about the JSP 2.0 and Servlet 2.4 changes. We kept a narrow focus on what topics the book properly treats.


Jayson Falkner<br />jayson@jspinsider.com<br />Author of <a href="http://www.jspbook.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Servlets and JavaServer Pages; the J2EE Web Tier</a>
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Jayson Falkner:
Odds are if you know a lot about JSP and Servlets, you might not find this book too helpful, especially if you already know all about the JSP 2.0 and Servlet 2.4 changes. We kept a narrow focus on what topics the book properly treats.

Actually I do not much about the new things in those specs, but I do have strong foundation on the previous version of JSP and servlet..... That's why I'm interested in this book... But as far as I see in the jspbook.com, the book does not cover JSTL 1.1, which is the current version of JSTL I guess... Was it intentionally dropped from the content of the book or is it beyond the scope of the book? Or is it because the JSTL EL is integrated to JSP 2.0 and the JSTL 1.1 has very little minor changes in it?
Thank you for your patient explanation... It's very good that we got both of the authors of the book to discuss here various things... Thanks...
Kevin Jones
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JSTL 1.1 was only a maintenance release. The major chaing being the adoption of the EL from JSP 2.0 rather than the EL from JSTL 1.0. The other changes are bug fixes and clarifications
Kevin Jones
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We don't cover .Net ot ASP at all in the book, so no, there is no comparison,
Ko Ko Naing
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Mr.Kevin Jones,
Thank you very much for your replies... I do hope that your book will continue to be successful in the future....
 
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