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A fifth plane?!

Rosie Vogel
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A few times, I heard something on the radio about a fifth plane which is still missing. Has anyone else heard this rumor? Is it true? I am searching the net but cannot find it. If you've got a link please post it.
Jane Griscti
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Yesterday they were originally saying there were 5 planes. Two that went into the WTC, 1 into the Pentagon, 1 crashed near Pittsburgh and a 5th that was brought down near Langley.
I think the one reported down near Langley may have been the one near Pittsburg.


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Jamie Robertson
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They suspected a plane travelling from Korea to Anchorage was hijacked because it sent out an emergency signal to the air traffic controller while over the ocean, then was unresponsive the rest of the flight. It turns out that the aircraft was low on fuel and somehow it's communications failed. Once landed in Whitehorse(I believe) the plane was secured by the RCMP and the above information was uncovered.
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Joel McNary
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Originally posted by Rosie Vogel:
[B]A few times, I heard something on the radio about a fifth plane which is still missing. Has anyone else heard this rumor? [B]

I heard that American and United each lost two planes. The two American planes went into the WTC. One United plane went down outside of Pittsburgh and another United plane was confirmed, but for the longest time United would not say where the other plane went down. We all knew that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon, but because United would not say where the other plane went down, it appead that there were five planes:
2 in the WTC
1 in PA
1 in the Pentagon
1 of unreported crash site.
It now turns out that the unknow crash site was the Pentagon. Why United did not tell us that yesterday, I don't know.

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Joseph Miller
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I would like to know how that plane in Penn. crashed... it is obviously very rare that planes just crash these days. Was it shot down? Did the pilot sacrifice passengers for the sake of preventing a greater tragedy? I don't think it ran out of fuel... Interesting that we never heard any coverage of this yesterday - maybe I just missed something.
Dave Vick
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Joseph
I don't think you missed anything, I dont recall hearing anything about why or how it went down either. It is quite possible that no-one knows the reason. When the flight recorders are located from the planes we'll all know a lot more about what happened and how it happened.
Dave


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Jim Yingst
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The two most likely possibilities seem: (1) the pilot realized that the plane was intended to hit a major urban center, and chose to sacrifice the plane in a more remote area instead, or (2) the original pilots had already been killed at this point, and the US military shot down the plane for basically the same reasons. A tragic outcome, but as seen elsewhere, it could have been far worse.


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Jamie Robertson
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the way witnesses described it, the plane was fully intact before impact(no visible damage) so it looks like something else happened. I also heard reports of someone on that plane called his wife and told her that him and three others were going to do something to stop the situation. Shortly after he hung up the phone the plane went down. I can't find the link but I swear it was on the Boston Herald website somewhere.
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Jim Yingst
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Hmmm... so perhaps a struggle occurred in the cockpit, and the crash was accidental because no one was in control of the plane at that point? Or one of the terrorists realized thet they were about to lose control of the plane, and decided it was preferable to destroy the plane immediately, abandoning their original target? I'm assuming that there was some other target planned for this plane - what are the most likely choices in the direction it was heading?
Tony Alicea
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Jim: You forgot a third possibility:
The pilots were dead and the terrorist pilot(s) couldn't cut it as a 757 pilots and screwed up the attack and just crashed due to incompetence. Which of course would have been good for us, considering that all aboard would be dead anyway no matter what and...
I heard CNN reporting that that plane's target may have been Camp David.


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Tony Alicea
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Jamie:
It's the Boston Herald.
It's got a lot of new stuff, like "F.B.I., police swarm Westin Hotel in Boston".
Check it out!
Jamie Robertson
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I have also heard that it was possible for it to be heading eventually to the White House. This seems to make more sense given the importance of the other targets.
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Jim Yingst
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The BBC has a good story on this here. Among other things there's mention of a bomb threat and some sort of explosion in the cockpit shortly before the plane went down.
The fact that the plane crashed very soon after "three of us are going to do something about it" makes me tend to doubt the incompetence theory, but of course that's a possibility too.
Jamie Robertson
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here is the story I was looking for:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/auspass09122001.htm
Tony Alicea
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Yep, Jim; it looks that heroism on the part of American passengers was involved.
Joel McNary
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From what I have heard, heroism on the part of at least two passengers brought the plane down in rural Penna. Also, it seems as though the crash site was chosen on purpose, because it was surrounded by rural building but crashed into none of them (I seem to remember one reporter saying that he could not imagine how the plane had not hit any of those buildings).
Ari Fleischer (sp?), Bush's Press Secretary, has indicated that this plane was not the one intended for the White House, but rather that the one that hit the Pentagon was teh one intended for the White House. He would not speculate on why they were either unable to hit the White House or chose to hit the Pentagon instead.
Thomas Paul
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I saw an interview with a pilot. He said that the White House is difficult to find from the air (especially when traveling at 500 mph) because it is surrounded by trees and taller buildings. The terrorists probably couldn't see it and so went after their secondary target.


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