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In praise of America

Swatantra Yadav
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There is too much US bashing going on here so I thought I must speak out for US although I am an Indian.
- US and the west should be given credit for ALL (100 %) of the advances in Sci-Tech. Period.
- Americans are very humane people
- They are the most fair (just, honest) people
- When people say that Americans are responsible for problems in their countries then in most cases they are LYING. They have created their own problems. These societies, countries need to so a lot of introspection. Start with asking what have they given to the world.
- The west has been giving them a lot of economic aid for which they are completely ungrateful.
Anonymous
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Yeah, nothing like a bunch of broad generalisations to make a point.
- US and the west should be given credit for ALL (100 %) of the advances in Sci-Tech. Period.
- Americans are very humane people
- They are the most fair (just, honest) people

I'm gonna have to write the first one off as bull-twang and I can't accept the second two till I see a poll of the mental profile of every sngle person.
How about the middle road: America (as a nation) is guilty of some of the accusations made against it. It has also performed (as a nation) many humane acts and is responsible for many of the scientific advances in the modern world.
I don't consider myself an America-basher, but I don't see any point in sucking up either.
Anonymous
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I don't consider myself an America-basher, but I don't see any point in sucking up either.

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP!!!
Illegal Immigrant
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I don't consider myself an America-basher, but I don't see any point in sucking up either

Ditto. If you want to talk eye to eye , peer to peer, we can have a friendly conversation.
Pranav Jaidka
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Originally posted by Swatantra Yadav:
There is too much US bashing going on here so I thought I must speak out for US although I am an Indian.
- US and the west should be given credit for ALL (100 %) of the advances in Sci-Tech. Period.


There you go Japan,UK,France,China,Russia,Germany,India,(Id like to include that against your wishes Swatantra).Everybody working on technology here needs to stop because the americans are 100% resposible for ALL (100%)advances in Sci-Tech. Period.
Thats sad considering the number of people who will lose their jobs because of your enlightning post.



- Americans are very humane people
- They are the most fair (just, honest) people
- When people say that Americans are responsible for problems in their countries then in most cases they are LYING. They have created their own problems. These societies, countries need to so a lot of introspection. Start with asking what have they given to the world.

1) Agree with the first part.
2) Agree partially with this .But they are defintely not the MOST Fair.
3) Examples to support your statement needed.!!!


- The west has been giving them a lot of economic aid for which they are completely ungrateful.


What countries are you talking about ???



[This message has been edited by Pranav Jaidka (edited October 04, 2001).]
Andy Ceponis
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Originally posted by Pranav Jaidka:
What countries are you talking about ???

You name any country and we give them aid. Look it up.
Sahir Shibley
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It is customary for countries to borrow money from one another. These are not hand outs , but loans. It has to be repaid and you got to pay interest on the amount given as aid.
Aid can take any form, it does not have to be purely fiscal.
{ note: fiscal means related to money. It has nothing to do with sex. I dont want anybody accusing me of vulgarity next }
http://csf.colorado.edu/ecolecon/jan96/0039.html
India gives aid to some countries.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_787000/787985.stm
But we do not go around telling them "Hey your country gets aid from my country. Besides, that underwear you are wearing is made in India. So you should display proper gratitude and agree with everything we say." That is a childish and narrow minded approach.
Japan is the largest provider of foreign aid. Sometimes they even write off these loans to help poor African countries. Are the Japanese going around bragging about it ?

[This message has been edited by Sahir Shibley (edited October 04, 2001).]
Pranav Jaidka
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Originally posted by Andy Ceponis:
You name any country and we give them aid. Look it up.


Japan???
Pranav Jaidka
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Andy
Do you agree with all of Swatantras arguments being an American yourself ???
Be Honest now ..he he he he h

Andy Ceponis
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This is from 1998, but thats how much we gave some countries that year in aid. And India is in there as well. Quick to get its hand out for aid but comtinues to bash the people who giev them aid. And if India was in such great shape then why are we giving hundreds of millions to them? Why not the other way around?
link
heres a table for the same year:
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Andy Ceponis
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Pranav, i dont totally agree with Swatantras views.
No one person/country/group of people should be given total credit for anything. Sure the US is a major player(the biggest) but that doesnt mean others dont contribute.
Yes Americans are very humane
Americans are fair yes, but that doesnt mean that others are not fair as well.
And yes we do give alot of aid, but so do other countries. I just get mad when countries line up to receive our money, then turn around and bash us.
Sahir Shibley
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I dont understand what you mean by "bashing us". Isn't constructive criticism a better word ?
Andy Ceponis
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It might be if the words werent so harsh. But you are not being constructive. You are taking pot shots at the US while trying to prove to everyone that you arent anti-american.
Sri Nivas
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What about USA's debt to the United Nations Organization? Everybody knows that USA owes billions of dollars to UNO. So is USA really giving aid to other countries?
Pranav Jaidka
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Andy
Sometimes policies in your interest go agains ours and thats whats causing all these heated debates. You should not consider them as pot shots. These are just views of people who are going to be affected be these events in a different way from you .Any confusion that these are against the US as a country should be avoided.

Andy Ceponis
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Srini, are you kidding me? I fail to see what giving aid to countries and owing some money has anything to with each other. We can easily afford to pay that back, but there is some reason we dont, probably to let whoever we owe it to to get some more interest so we can help them out even more. If we didnt give like 7 billion a year in aid to other countries then we wouldnt owe any money. And why should we pay it back when noone pays back their debts to us?
Thomas Paul
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Originally posted by Srini Madgula:
What about USA's debt to the United Nations Organization? Everybody knows that USA owes billions of dollars to UNO. So is USA really giving aid to other countries?

There is debate about what exactly this supposed debt is. The US believes that it should have gotten more back for various UN peacekeeping efforts that it paid for. In any case, the Congress has agreed to pay about US$1 billion of which 1/3 has already been paid. The debate with the UN was for about $600,000. The US never owed more than $1.6 billion by anyone's calculation. The money in question will be going to reimburse other countries that engaged in peacekeeping efforts.


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Andy Ceponis
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So take that and stick it you know where.
Sri Nivas
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Andy,
Try to learn to take some criticism. The language you use speaks a lot about you. Looks like you are pissed off by the truth.
Anonymous
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Andy, Thomas...
There's no reason to get irritated because a couple of eccentrics launch a tirade against America. Indians, in general, hold Americans in high esteem. Our countries have a lot in common (democracy, commitment to peace and of course, being beset by terrorism) that vastly overweighs our differences.
I have to really say that the discussion regading "who invented what and who invented the most, who gives more funds and who don't" is rather childish ...to put it mildly. What countries give/donate in the form of aid is a selfless act and such acts get slighted when people brag about it.
Think over it!

Andy Ceponis
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Originally posted by Srini Madgula:
Andy,
Try to learn to take some criticism. The language you use speaks a lot about you. Looks like you are pissed off by the truth.

What truth are you talking about? The part about the U.S giving India 100's of millions in aid every year?
Andy Ceponis
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Excalibur, i agree that our countries are similar in some ways and that i THINK that Indians for the most part like Americans just as we like u. And it is sort of childish to brag about this or that. But it really gets me when people post ignorant things that they have no clue about. They just want to stir shit up even if its not true.
Anonymous
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Differencs in foreign policies are bound to exist...no matter however close countries are...It is not required that if X borrows some money from Y, he must accept Y's views in all areas. The same logic applies here too. The solution is simple...If Y doesn't like aiding X, he must not...
The report to which Andy gave a link was perplexing. Does it mean that the U.S is trying to bribe people into accepting their views in the U.N assembly? No way..It can't be true. If it is...then God help us. I am sure that the U.S is much more noble-minded than that. What do you have to say about the unconditional support that India has given the U.S to counter terrorism?...unlike the support from others which came with strings attached.
The report also mentions China as an adversary..then why the heck does it give China the MFN (Most Favored Nation) status?
Don't tell me that this is altruism. Trade with China is far more economical and benificial to the U.S...That is the only reason.

Anonymous
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Excalibur, i agree that our countries are similar in some ways and that i THINK that Indians for the most part like Americans just as we like u. And it is sort of childish to brag about this or that. But it really gets me when people post ignorant things that they have no clue about. They just want to stir shit up even if its not true.


Andy, the best way to ignore shit is to not smell it or tread on it
Krista Connor
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Originally posted by Illegal Immigrant:
Ditto. If you want to talk eye to eye , peer to peer, we can have a friendly conversation.

"Eye to eye, peer to peer?" Hard to know if you're looking someone in the eye when they hide behind a fake name.
Anonymous
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Hard to know if you're looking someone in the eye when they hide behind a fake name.

What is their in a Name(fake or real). The point is look eye to eye and peer to peer they are real .
 
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