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srinath prasad
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Joined: Oct 03, 2001
Posts: 10
We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America,
even faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are Indians
Q. Who is the co-founder of Sun Microsystems?
A. Vinod Khosla
Q. Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90%
of the today's computers run on it)?
A. Vinod Dahm

Q. Who are the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's
No.1 web based email program)?
A. Sabeer Bhatia
Q. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the
creator of program languages such as C, C++, Unix to name a few)?
A. Arun Netravalli
Q. Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard?
A. Rajiv Gupta
Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000,
responsible to iron out all initial problems?
A. Sanjay Tejwrika

Q. Who are the Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckensey & Stanchart?
A. Victor Menezes, Rajat Gupta, and Rana Talwar.
.

You may know some of the following facts. These facts were recently
published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS
ABOUT INDIA.
1.India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of
history.
2.India invented the Number system. Aryabhatta invented `zero.'

3.The world's first University was established in Takshila in
700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more
than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century
BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field
of education.
4.According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most
suitable language for computer software.

5.Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.
6.Although western media portray modern images of India as
poverty striken and underdeveloped through political corruption,
India was once the richest empire on earth.

7.The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years
ago. The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word
NAVGATIH.
8.The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he
explained the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean
Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published
that Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century, which is long before
the European mathematicians.

9.Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from Inida. Quadratic
equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century; the largest
numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used
numbers as big as 1053.
10.According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until
1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world.

11.USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old
suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless
communication was Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.
12.The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in
Saurashtra.

14.Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and
health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans,
cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well
known in ancient India.

15.When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest
dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in
Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation).
16.The place value system, the decimal system was developed in
India in 100 BC.


Quotes about India.
We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without
which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.
Albert Einstein.

India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human
speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the
great grand mother of tradition.
Mark Twain.
If there is one place on the face of earth where all dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the
dream of existence, it is India.
Frech scholar Romain Rolland.
India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries
without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.
Hu Shih.
(Former Chinese ambassador to USA)

ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, THE LIST COULD BE
ENDLESS.
Dave Vick
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Joined: May 10, 2001
Posts: 3244
Originally posted by srinath prasad:

34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.

If Indians are so smart why they working there?

Just kidding
Dave

Dave
Cindy Glass
"The Hood"
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Joined: Sep 29, 2000
Posts: 8521
Just a thought.
If Indians are so smart - why aren't they working in India?
(Just kidding - I have great respect for the talents of the India folks that work with me).


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Jason Menard
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Joined: Nov 09, 2000
Posts: 6450
Originally posted by srinath prasad:
We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America,
even faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are Indians
Q. Who is the co-founder of Sun Microsystems?
A. Vinod Khosla
Q. Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90%
of the today's computers run on it)?
A. Vinod Dahm

Q. Who are the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's
No.1 web based email program)?
A. Sabeer Bhatia
Q. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the
creator of program languages such as C, C++, Unix to name a few)?
A. Arun Netravalli
Q. Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard?
A. Rajiv Gupta
Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000,
responsible to iron out all initial problems?
A. Sanjay Tejwrika

Q. Who are the Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckensey & Stanchart?
A. Victor Menezes, Rajat Gupta, and Rana Talwar.

Proof that America's strength is through diversity.
Ling Wu
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Joined: Jul 19, 2000
Posts: 184
Originally posted by srinath prasad:
We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America,
even faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are Indians
..........

Sounds to me like brain-drain for India. Of course, India's loss is United States' (and some Western European countries') gain.
But why aren't those talented, creative, wealthy Indian people staying in India to make IT the most productive, wealthy, and creative country instead?

[This message has been edited by Ling Wu (edited October 04, 2001).]
Ashok Mash
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
Posts: 1936
When you talk about India, you are talking about one sixth of the humanity on Planet Earth - 1000 million people!
Just think what if rich western European countries decides to fund and improve lives of all countries in continental Europe, including those poor East European countries plagued by ethnic fights and poverty?! How successful it would be? The differences in language, culture, tradition and such hundreds of reasons makes even planning some think like that impossible. Do you agree?
Now, think about India, which is much more (don't know exact figures) diverse in all aspects. There are richer regions in the country and poorer regions frequently challenged by natural calamities as well. What we are doing is, as in any other democratic country, making the rich to pay for the well being of poor. Our successful 5-year plans have reduced poverty level from 40% to 23% or so. And when we consider the massive figures that we are talking about, don't you think it�s not that bad as being projected?
From the very beginning, we were a soft nation or a group of soft states under Rajas, accommodating interests of numerous communities, religions, tribes, and even foreign powers... Some of them contributed, some looted.. All what was left behind after foriegn invasion was ruins and poverty, from which we are building our country.
We will rise.. like a Phoenix bird..
Ashok.
[This message has been edited by J Ash (edited October 04, 2001).]


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Anonymous
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Joined: Nov 22, 2008
Posts: 18944
Not to undermine our achievents but the point is we still have a very long way to go. I measure the success of a nation on the following parameters:
1. Education and food for all.
2. Elimination of crime.
3. Respect for nature.
4. Law of logic instead of religion, emotion or power.
And on all these fronts we have to go a very long way. Yes, we are moving forward and we'll achieve it but not without a revolution.
It doesn't matter what we have contributed to humanity. The bottom line is how good or satisfying is the way of life of a common man.
My simple logic is, if a lot of talented Indians are trying to move out of India and settle in US, then the "sum total" of plus points of US are more than the "sum total" of plus point of India. If it were not so, Americans or chinese or others would be immigrating to India
So basically, there is no point in living in a fools paradise by enumerating our achievments. What ever we did was definitely good. But it is not good enough.

Andy Ceponis
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Joined: Dec 20, 2000
Posts: 782
You know why all those Indians live and work in America? Because they want to be in America and like what it stands for and the quality of life it gives them. I wonder why none of them want to move back to India? Why is it that everyone wants to come to America and not the other way around? So basically all you just posted is that America is a much better place to live for smart people who want a good life. Otherwise they wouldnt have come here in the first place.
soumya ravindranath
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Joined: Jan 26, 2001
Posts: 300
Excuse me ! I had been to the US for a short while on work, didn't like it there and decided not to even think of applying for a long term work permit (though my company wanted me to) and returned to India. I have even dissuaded some of my friends from going there I still maintain that i am smart and i have found much better places to live and work elsewhere ! (not permanently, if it is outside India, of course.)
There is no point in whining that people come to USA to loot it. Nobody is paid for sitting idle. If i get paid, that is for something i contributed. If it's for a foreign company, so be it. And dear Andy, i feel my life in India is/was/has been far better than it would be in the USA and i can get u dozens (even US returned ones) who would say the same.
Originally posted by Andy Ceponis:
You know why all those Indians live and work in America? Because they want to be in America and like what it stands for and the quality of life it gives them. I wonder why none of them want to move back to India? Why is it that everyone wants to come to America and not the other way around? So basically all you just posted is that America is a much better place to live for smart people who want a good life. Otherwise they wouldnt have come here in the first place.


[This message has been edited by soumya ravindranath (edited October 04, 2001).]
Pranav Jaidka
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Joined: Sep 14, 2000
Posts: 264
Originally posted by Andy Ceponis:
You know why all those Indians live and work in America? Because they want to be in America and like what it stands for and the quality of life it gives them. I wonder why none of them want to move back to India? Why is it that everyone wants to come to America and not the other way around? So basically all you just posted is that America is a much better place to live for smart people who want a good life. Otherwise they wouldnt have come here in the first place.

Andy now it seems that if its not one thing then its another.
Jason posted a thread with a lot of credit going to Americans for inventions.
This thread actually should be taken as a response that not all Credit should be going to the Americans. What makes America what it is is the fact that people from all over the world contribute to making it what it is.

Well im in the US ...appreciate its qualities ...am an avid supporter of most policies ....But not All .Since its a free country I voice my opinion .That i think is what everyone else is doing .
As Soumya says ...she made a choice...and so have I .I am not going to stay here for my life .I was here for an experience and it would be wrong for Americans to take it as a selfish motive from my side to be here.
I can also give you examoples of Americans whove made India their Home . so whats wrong with that ???

Anonymous
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Joined: Nov 22, 2008
Posts: 18944

Just a thought.
If Indians are so smart - why aren't they working in India?
(Just kidding - I have great respect for the talents of the India folks that work with me).


Congrats! you managed to mollify your comments with the "Just Kidding" andodyne
If you have any respect for your fellow workers you wouldn't have made the comment in the first place.
To all the countries that invite Indians to take up jobs in the IT industry...please do us a favor and take back the offer. It would accelerate the development of my nation by creating a reverse brain drain and preventing future talent expenditure

Christophe Lee
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Joined: Jul 10, 2001
Posts: 142
Don't forget about the Indian women. Something like the last 4 Miss Universes have been Indian (I might be wrong, but it's like Duke winning the NCAA basketball championship...either they win, or they're close).
Sharma Dixit
Greenhorn

Joined: Oct 05, 2001
Posts: 1
Hi everybody
as mentioned before by my fellows that most of the world population is acquired by us,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are Indians
and if you think that`s the only greatest things about Indians , have a look at this :
Info from Reader`s Digest - 33% of all prostitutes in US are Indians(by the way I am not an Indian and I hate to be one)
35% of the most frustrated ..... are Indians
Indians have the highest fertilitity rate in the world
We have the worst cricket team in the world which consists of superstars who cant play as a team as a team because they are involved in their own little battles.
And to top all that we have hijackings in India without any hijackers
We hear 2 hijackers speaking in broken english and start crying our heads off then we present false excuses and say it was a mock exam
You americans are nowhere in this race...
Indians are the best

[This message has been edited by Sharma Dixit (edited October 08, 2001).]
Anonymous
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Joined: Nov 22, 2008
Posts: 18944
33% of all prostitutes in US are Indians

That sounds like a load of bull. How can you have access to that statistic, unless you are in that industry yourself?
And you think they come here on H1B visas?
Pranav Jaidka
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Joined: Sep 14, 2000
Posts: 264

33% of all prostitutes in US are Indians
35% of the most frustrated ..... are Indians
Indians have the highest fertilitity rate in the world
We have the worst cricket team in the world which consists of superstars who cant play as a team as a team because they are involved in their own little battles.
And to top all that we have hijackings in India without any hijackers
We hear 2 hijackers speaking in broken english and start crying our heads off then we present false excuses and say it was a mock exam
You americans are nowhere in this race...
Indians are the best


Dixit Sharma
First of all you are not an Indian .I can Challenge anyone over this .You too!!!
Youre probably one of the following 'Great India' ,'Zulfiqar Raza ' .

But you may be one of the prostitues since you know Indians work as prostitues ..or probably are a regular visitor there. ..What an Ignorant Idiot you are . !!!
Anyone want to know the reason why Mr Dixit Sharma is not an Indian ???

So buddy Take your smart ass out of this place and post under your real name.
Pranav Jaidka
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Joined: Sep 14, 2000
Posts: 264
Originally posted by Skeptical Inquirer:
That sounds like a load of bull. How can you have access to that statistic, unless you are in that industry yourself?
And you think they come here on H1B visas?

Hey Skeptical inquirer ...looks like we both had the same doubt. ha ha ha ha.
Also i can Bet you that this guy is not going to return ..if he has the slightest SHAME .

[This message has been edited by Pranav Jaidka (edited October 05, 2001).]
Zulfiqar Akram
Greenhorn

Joined: Oct 05, 2001
Posts: 1
I am sorry to all indians...It was who posted that thing about India. It was shameful on my part.
Anonymous
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Posts: 18944
The US has enough home-grown talent to meet the needs of this industry. I don't think Nevada has faced any labor or skill shortages.
And there have been no layoffs at these layovers
SJ Adnams
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Joined: Sep 28, 2001
Posts: 925
Q. Who is the co-founder of Sun Microsystems?
A. Vinod Khosla
'the' co-founder? Well how about Scott McNealy, Bill Joy, Andy Bechtolsheim not to mention the Venture Capitalists.
Q. Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90% of the today's computers run on it)?
A. Vinod Dahm
Well I'm sure it takes more than one man...
Q. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the
creator of program languages such as C, C++, Unix to name a few)?
A. Arun Netravalli
He is Vice-President of Research.
Q. Who are the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's
No.1 web based email program)?
A. Sabeer Bhatia
Cofounded with Jack Smith
Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000,
responsible to iron out all initial problems?
A. Sanjay Tejwrika
Dont know about this guy, but Sivaramakichenane Somasegar was responsibile for Windows 2000 Release management.
Q. Who are the Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckensey & Stanchart?
A. Victor Menezes, Rajat Gupta, and Rana Talwar.
Sandy Well, yes Rajat Gupta but its Mckinsey, and Rana Talwar.
I couldnt find any info in prostitutes? But I'll add another!!
50% of all taxi drivers in (UK) are all indian/bangladeshi/pakistani :P
Anonymous
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Posts: 18944
33% of all prostitutes in US are Indians

I HAVEN'T MET A SINGLE INDIAN PROSTITUTE ALL MY LIFE. WHAT KIND OF ******* ******** IS THIS?!!!
soumya ravindranath
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Joined: Jan 26, 2001
Posts: 300
Originally posted by Simon Lee:
Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000,
responsible to iron out all initial problems?
A. Sanjay Tejwrika
Dont know about this guy, but Sivaramakichenane Somasegar was responsibile for Windows 2000 Release management.

I don't find any point in the posts related to all these topics. But just because this struck me funny, i am replying. This second guy you named is also an Indian (the only other possibility being Srilankan)
Jake the Snake
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Well I am sorry for not being politically correct but I have totally different perspective towards Indians. My experience have thought me much differently than what is presented here. I have met so many of you that are such crooks and I doubt I will be able to ever trust any of you. Obviously, I am generalizing but I know number of individuals who would agree with my thoughts here. Here are some of my experiences.
-Have had a university professor of Indian descent who lied into my face. He backed down like little kid when I presented him with facts but that lie could�ve cost me good 1000 dollars.
-At the end of the last year a company from Jersey offered me a job for 40k. However, they had to �retouch� my resume and added 2 years of experience that I never had. Then they would call me and teach me how to lie. Every single one of them was Indian, from VP to HR person to whoever talked to me on the phone and thought me the �scheme�. I felt so uncomfortable and thanks God that I got another few offers in the meantime.
-I have met so many of you (from classmates to co-workers) that think that there is nothing wrong to lie/cheat or so.
I can go on and on. My roommates who have lived in India can go for hours and talk about their similar experiences. I even have very good friend who is Indian but grew up living in different parts of the world. He has never had an Indian friend for the same reasons.
The fact is that Indians can be so easily bribed. Not only that your government is corruptive but also majority of you will do just about anything for handful of dollars. Just as much your ancient doctrines are preaching about ethics and moral that is how little you practice it in reality. Another fact is that India/Pakistan is the birthplace of document fabrication. From fake passports, to fake diplomas. In the late 70s, early 80s, they have been masters of such.
No, You can�t learn these things from a book or so, only experience can teach you this.
For every single claim here, I can provide you with names and facts for back it up.
Do I think you are intellectually superior like some you claim here?
No, I only think that you guys stink.
Again, forgive me for generalizing. I am sure that there are exceptions.
Pranav Jaidka
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Posts: 264

I agree with you Jake ..fully . There are always exceptions here.
However this is the case everywhere in the world .
I met an American car salesman in Bethesda (near Washington DC) who tried to hoodwink me too. I would have lost 2500 $ on that deal had i gone ahead . Tried to sell me a 'Lemon'.
I also know of an American company where my Indian Friend works where everyone is American from VP to the Receptionist. They are talking of the same sort of things like modifying his resume in order to present a better case to prospective recruiters .
In fact one of my American Friends has been asked to do the same by her company.
Yes i agree forged documents are readily available in India and Paksitan But ever heard of the concept of ORGANIZED CRIME .The MAFIA for example is an American Invention .!!!

Why cant you learn thigns from books ??? Im confused !!! How can you only learn from Experience ???
Yes i do think we are intellectually superior in some aspects of life ??? So whats the deal with that .The only reason you posted this line was because you feel the same and felt bad that someone else wanted to place himself over you .Youre trying to do the same.
Yes i agree that some people in India are stinkers .But so are some in Every country of the world (Including yours.)
So what are you trying to prove when the same things are happeing in your country ???

[This message has been edited by Pranav Jaidka (edited October 05, 2001).]
Cindy Glass
"The Hood"
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Joined: Sep 29, 2000
Posts: 8521
Originally posted by Pranav Jaidka:

But ever heard of the concept of ORGANIZED CRIME .The MAFIA for example is an American Invention .!!!

Obviously never heard of Sicily.
Pranav Jaidka
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Posts: 264
Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
Obviously never heard of Sicily.

I did Cindy and I know the history .I can correct myself to talk about the more recent history where it really became big business in cities like Chicago.
Bartholemu Smith
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Posts: 317
To Jake Comment:
Was born there but I dont find anything appealing about the culture or country. I dont have 1 Indian friend just for the plain fact many of the ones in my city are super "Clicky" and really for the wrong reasons..Cause they are mindly racist and the only people good enough for them are their own kind. I hate that mantality and until thy change they will be super stinky for me. The only exception would be if one of them offered me a Minature Donkey Farm
[This message has been edited by Faisal Dosani (edited October 05, 2001).]
Anonymous
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Originally posted by srinath prasad:
We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America,
even faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are Indians

Could you please provide the source where you got these statistics.

We have the worst cricket team in the world which consists of superstars who cant play as a team as a team because they are involved in their own little battles.
And to top all that we have hijackings in India without any hijackers
We hear 2 hijackers speaking in broken english and start crying our heads off then we present false excuses and say it was a mock exam

Sad but true and this we all know.However I haven`t been able to find a single Indian prostitute
Anonymous
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Joined: Nov 22, 2008
Posts: 18944
Originally posted by Jake the Snake:
Well I am sorry for not being politically correct but I have totally different perspective towards Indians.

You are pretty much on mark.
I am an indian myself. (Bit too proud as you may have noticed in other threads ) But I agree with you on this one. I had similar expr. twice. One indian company owes me salary of 2 months along with fine as per ruling by california labour comission. Another one cheated me during internship for one week's salary. Point to note that both company owners were US born east indians. Again no generalization. Just the facts.
My theory is this is attributed to the fact that most of them came here for quick money and are kind of people who are ready to leave their home land for personal gain. So there is higher chance that they will cheat. ie You may find 40% cheats among indians in america if the percentage is 20 cheats in 100 among americans.
But please do not consider indians in america as representative of indians.
Same goes for original post ... 35% in NASA does not represent avg indian IQ or education. This is only because in most cases only highly educated get visa to come here. So do not brag too much about it. In fact if the percentages are really so high it is something to be ashamed about. Because it means that we already have skills to make our own Microsoft, IBM in india ... and I am sure VC's will give you money for that. But I guess these 30% or whatever IBMites indians dont give shit to india or they do not love their country enough. So please do not brag about it.
Ashik Uzzaman
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Then Who r the competitors of Indians there in race? China, Israily or Americans themselves??
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