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is God out there?

Raveendran Karunakaran
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is God out there ?
Badriprasad Bumbabol
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No , He/She is in here.
Raghav Sam
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First, let's define God:


Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.<br />- Dr. Seuss
lusha tak
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in my opinion... it is the goodness in u?? not any deity outside!!
regards
Lusha
Raveendran Karunakaran
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DEFINING
GOD
G - GIFT
O - ?
D - DEATH
Anonymous
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God bless me!
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Anonymous
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Originally posted by Lhy Killers:
God? Are u God? Me?
I really don't know who is God?
Maybe God has a gentle face with white skin or God has a ferocious face with black skin.
I don't trust God!



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Raveendran Karunakaran
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I THINK THAT O DENOTES
G - GIFT
O - OF
D - DEATH
Jason Menard
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Maybe God hasn't responded because he hasn't registered, and he refuses to post unregistered because, hey, how would you know it was really Him then?
Dave Vick
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plus if he/she really exists then they only have one name and can't legally register so one of the sherrifs would lock the account anyway.


Dave
Anonymous
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I am the truth and the light.
I am the way.
I am love.
I am oneness with the universe.
Naming Policies do not faze me.
Amitabh Sharma
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My 2 cents..
Ofcourse there is some power that is making all the laws and running the Universe but he does not pay attention to the detail.
People are detail for him.
He is very lazy. He should be doing a better job of running the world after all he has lot of job experience. His performance is very poor.
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by The One God:
I am the truth and the light.
I am the way.
I am love.
I am oneness with the universe.
Naming Policies do not faze me.

I think there is something in the Q'oran (sp?) that says something along the lines of "There is only one true God and Allah is His Name." Allah and Jehova for example are very godly sounding names. It just wouldn't have quite the same effect if for example it was "There is one true God and Phil is His Name." Kinda makes you think.
David Weitzman
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Well, in order to determine if God is out there, we need to figure out a couple of things.
1. What is a god? How many are there?
The popular view nowadays seems to be that there is only one or zero of them. Some people suggest more. Some say that God is part of the human descision making-process. Some say all sorts of things.
2. Is there a God in the first place? My answer: no. If yours is different, I'd be curious to hear the evidence you provide to the contrary. But let's pretend you said yes.
3. Why does this god (or gods) care about any of us? Does it have better things to do?
4. Why do we care about this god (or gods)? What effect does it have in our lives? Is this effect a positive, negitive, or very strang one? Could we get along just fine without it (or them)?
5. Alright, where is this god (or gods)? Is it out there? Is it in here? Is it over there? Did it die a few thousand years ago? Did it give up? Is it just that lightswitch over there?
6. Decide that there is no question, and therefore no answer. Then we all go home and have a nice dinner. Problem solved. (I'm just kicking up a storm today)
George Miller
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Let's see, for the historians:
How many LESS wars would there have been in history if the concept of "God" had never came up?
In other words, has religion caused a significant number of wars? Or just a minor number?
Amitabh Sharma
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The wars would have happened anyway. It is just that when armies go to war they choose to do so in the name of God.
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by George Miller:
Let's see, for the historians:
How many LESS wars would there have been in history if the concept of "God" had never came up?
In other words, has religion caused a significant number of wars? Or just a minor number?

People will always come up with some excuse to go to war. God is a convenient excuse. If there were no concept of God, people would just choose some other word to serve as a reason to war.
If I can paraphrase from Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket:

Rafterman: At least he died for a good cause.
Animal: What cause was that?
Rafterman: Freedom?
Animal: Freedom? Pull your head out new guy. If I'm going to die for a word, my word is poontang.

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Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by David Garland:

2. Is there a God in the first place? My answer: no. If yours is different, I'd be curious to hear the evidence you provide to the contrary.

I'd be interested to hear evidence of His non-existince. Prove to me He doesn't exist.
Gregg

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Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
I'd be interested to hear evidence of His non-existince. Prove to me He doesn't exist.
Gregg


Douglas Adams, in his Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy series joked about this. He made reference to an intergalactic philosopher who was famous for proving the non-existance of God. Central to this discussion was something called a Babel Fish which when inserted into the ear would make any language understandable. The argument went something like:
God: Proof is not needed of my existance, I exist on faith alone.
Philospher: Ahh but the Babel Fish proves you exist because the chance of something so mind bogglingly useful existing by chance is not possible. Since the Babel Fish proves your existance, faith is not required, therefore you do not exist.
God: I hadn't thought of that. (And he vanished in a puff of logic)
I'm sure I didn't get it exactly right but it's something along those lines. Doesn't necessarily mean anything but it is kind of amusing.
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Gregg Bolinger
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I am reminded of a quote from the movie Contact
"How do you know God exists?" - Jodi Foster
"I just know" - Matthew M.
"Prove it" - Jodi
"Do you love your father?" - Matthew
"Yes, of course" - Jodi
"Prove it" - Matthew
It's not a matter of dealing with the same logic we use every day. It's a logic of faith.
If you truly don't believe, nothing I can do or say could make you believe. And since I DO believe, nothing anyone says or does can make me change my mind. All we can do is try and educate one another.


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Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Justin Pontoriero:
That would be like saying, well we really can't prove or disprove the theory of Atlantis, existance of UFOs, and string theory so they must all exist.Logic does NOT work that way.

It can work that way. As long as you look at it from both sides. If there is evidence of the existense of something, and you are trying to prove that it does not exist, you must have proof. Theory of Atlantis - You cannot tell me 100% that it doesn not exist just because we can't prove it does. Same goes for UFO's and string theory. Not all logic is true and false. What about fuzzy logic?

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Gregg Bolinger
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God cannot and will never be proven until it is too late for the non-believers.
Don't get me wrong, I try and show people God, but it is hard. I try to witness to people, not unlike what I am doing here. Poeple have to WANT to listen and WANT to learn. You have to open your ears, your heart, and your soul to HIM. Not to me. That's why I said nothing "I CAN SAY OR DO". It has to be what YOU do with what you learn and what might be said.

God doesn't want to be proven. God wants to be believed beyond all proof, and beyond all doubts. I will continue to pray for you.


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Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Justin Pontoriero:
However, you would NOT change your mind no matter HOW much information I showed you disproving his existence.

I can prove to you beyond all doubt, that a bumblebee should not be able to fly. But guess what, IT DOES.

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Just wanted to let you know that there is no god. Now get back to work.
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Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by God:
Just wanted to let you know that there is no god. Now get back to work.
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Shama Khan
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
God cannot and will never be proven until it is too late for the non-believers.
Don't get me wrong, I try and show people God, but it is hard. I try to witness to people, not unlike what I am doing here. Poeple have to WANT to listen and WANT to learn. You have to open your ears, your heart, and your soul to HIM. Not to me. That's why I said nothing "I CAN SAY OR DO". It has to be what YOU do with what you learn and what might be said.

God doesn't want to be proven. God wants to be believed beyond all proof, and beyond all doubts. I will continue to pray for you.


Hey Greg,
I agree with you. The following quote is my 2 cents.
As for those who disblieve,
Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil (Quran 002.007)
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html


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Gregg Bolinger
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Thank you for the support Shama!!

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lehmanra
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Of course God is out there.
If not, you would not be HERE!


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Amitabh Sharma
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Does anyone know whether the famous scientist Carl Sagan (Cosmos host) was a believer. I searched on the web but couldnt find clear info regarding this.
He did say something to the effect: "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch then you will have to make the universe first"
How true..
It seems like he was a believer.
Randall Twede
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god isnt dead he just moved to a better neighborhood


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Anonymous
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I belive that there is some power behind which controls us
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Archana Aravind:
I belive that there is some power behind which controls us

God does not control us. He imbides us with free will and the ability to make our own decisions. If you accept that God actually controls us, then you hold Him responsible for all human actions, such as war, murder, etc...
Gregg Bolinger
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Jason, I am very impressed. What a wonderful response to that statement. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Michael Ernest
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Originally posted by Archana Aravind:
I belive that there is some power behind which controls us

A "power behind"? I'm having a hard time visualizing that.


Make visible what, without you, might perhaps never have been seen.
- Robert Bresson
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
Jason, I am very impressed. What a wonderful response to that statement. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks, very nice of you to say.
Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
A "power behind"? I'm having a hard time visualizing that.

My ex had a "power behind". They're not all they're cracked up to be.

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Paul Stevens
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Too funny Jason.
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Speaking about God, has anybody read D.Knuth's "Things a Computer Scientist Rarely Talks About"?
He seems managed to combine a true faith with CS I wonder if I will be ever able to achieve the same state of mind...

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Jan Bolinger
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I am a little surprised that only two pages are here regarding the question. I sent an e-mail to 160 employees during the September 11th disaster. Only two people replied in any form. I thought I might get a few positive comments and some that might say not to shove religion down their throats as I spoke about prayer. I was a bit surprised.


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im not going to read all the previous entries just give my opinion. god moved to a better neighborhood
Anonymous
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here's the definition of God
"SAY, HE IS ALLAH, ONE AND ONLY.
THE ABSOLUTE, THE ETERNAL.
HE NEITHER BEGETS, NOR WAS HE BEGOTTEN,
AND THERE IS NO ONE LIKE UNTO HIM"
Surah Ikhlaas (Purity)Chapter 112, The Holy Qur'an
 
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