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Lalooprasad Yadav
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ISLAMABAD: Osama Bin Laden said in an interview with a Pakistani newspaper released on Saturday that ----------------------. "............." Dawn newspaper quoted Bin Laden as saying in an exclusive interview in Kabul.
"..........," he added, while refusing to say -----------------------.
Dawn is Pakistan's oldest English language newspaper and one of its most respected publications. It said the interview was carried out on Wednesday by Hamid Mir, the editor of Ausaf newspaper. Mir is writing a book on Bin Laden. He has interviewed Bin Laden in the past as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1648000/1648456.stm
Journalist have no trouble finding him. But however hard the CIA tries they cant find him. Are they pretending to be blind or are they just too dumb to find him .

[This message has been edited by Lalooprasad Yadav to make it easier for Jason Menard to understand (edited November 09, 2001).]

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Jason Menard
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It is fairly obvious that all you are is a troll.... however I will indulge you for just a brief moment more. You were already invited to come up with an alternative course of action for us to take, but obviously when faced with the facts any argument you might have does not stand up. Since you have so much opposition to our actions, you would think you might be able to actually suggest a logical and reasonable alternative. Logic and reason may not be your strongpoint though I guess, or at least that's the evidence thus far.
That being said.... on the extreme off chance that bin Laden was able to come up with a nuclear device or a chemical or biological threat that was actually effective (as opposed to the relative ineffectiveness of the Anthrax his cronies have been using), pieces of the Middle East would cease to exist I'm afraid. In the very unlikely chance he was actually able to get a nuclear device into our country and detonate it, it would be of relatively low yield. While it would certainly be no fun, all it would really do is piss us off to the extreme. At that point the Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles (superpowers have these things you know) would come flying from their silos and Afghanistan or Iraq, maybe both, maybe more, would be wiped from the planet. They would cease to exist in a mere matter of minutes. Really puts a damper on a movement when those who are carrying it out are dust in the wind. That is the kind of power we have. That is the kind of power those you support seek but will never have. Even India's and Pakistan's nuclear "arsenals" are a relative speck, and neither country has a missile that can really deliver a nuclear payload much farther than the other country. So we had all better hope that the insanity you support treads lightly and is never actually able to carry out what they would like to, because you can be sure that they will get the shorter end of the stick.
Okay I'm sorry, I fed the troll. If you really have the faculties to put together a reasoned argument on what we should be doing besides restructuring the landscape of Afghanistan, please by all means enlighten us in the thread already started for that topic. If logical and reasoned argument is beyond you, then I guess all you are is somebody who has learned to work a search engine (my congratulations on that feat by the way) and is intent on provoking others.
In a bit of happy news, I just read that the Taliban and Northern Alliance are both reporting that Mazar-e Sharif has fallen to Northern Alliance forces. Reports are that retreating Taliban forces are being pounded by US bombers. Once things in that city settle down a little, we will no doubt be using the city and its airport as a staging area for further actins, as well as establishing firm supply lines for the NA.
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Lalooprasad Yadav
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Please read the message again. It says


Journalist have no trouble finding him. But however hard the CIA tries they cant find him. Are they pretending to be blind or are they just too dumb to find him ?




Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Lalooprasad Yadav:

Please read the message again. It says

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Journalist have no trouble finding him. But however hard the CIA tries they cant find him. Are they pretending to be blind or are they just too dumb to find him ?




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I read it the first time, what's your point? Maybe you should re-read mine.
Lalooprasad Yadav
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Most of your message is about trolls and some stuff about the US having ICBMs and that they are going to nuke a lot of countries etc etc. None of this is relevant to the question asked.
I am not trying to make any point. I was just wondering why journalists can find him and the CIA cant.

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Jason Menard
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I see you edited out the original comments in your first message about bin Laden claiming he had Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological weapons, and was willing to use them against the US. That is what I was responding to, but I guess it makes it easy to change the context when you can simply go back and edit what was said the first time.
But I will answer your question for you. I will try to use small words for your benefit, since comprehension seems to be an issue. Bin Laden has a message to get out. The surest way for him to spread this message is through the press. There are many reporters who would like to find him. Al-Queda's network of informants is probably wide reaching in the Afghanistan and Pakistan region. When word comes to them of a journalist attempting to seek out Bin Laden, a determination is made on whether or not this journalist may be of use to them. If the journalist may be useful in spreading a pro Bin Laden message, and Bin Laden agrees, they may have representatives approach the journalist. Doubtless they only select journalists with a long-standing reputation whose intentions can be verified, as opposed to any journalist they happen to come across. The journalist is then searched and blindfolded and taken to an unknown location. The interview is conducted, the journalist is again blindfolded and returned. The journalist has no idea of where he is or where he has been.
Now I thought all that was fairly common knowledge and obvious. The CIA is naturally unable to use similar methods as the the journalist because they most likely don't have operatives who are journalists with a long standing reputation, and who Al Queda would believe is willing to spread the Al-Queda message.
Glad I could help.
Greg Harris
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Jason,
don't forget to mention the 2 or 3 jounalists that have been arrested by the Taliban for being spies... the latest was a male French journalist who was dressed as an Afghan woman. as far as i know, all of them have been released.
the Taliban/Al Queda network will not talk freely to the press... they are very careful about who they speak to and who the take to bin Laden (blindfolded, of course).


what?
Lalooprasad Yadav
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I see you edited out the original comments in your first message about bin Laden claiming he had Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological weapons, and was willing to use them against the US. That is what I was responding to, but I guess it makes it easy to change the context when you can simply go back and edit what was said the first time.


Those are not my commnents. The words that were edited out are supposed to be Bin Laden's. I was trying to find a kind soul who would clear my doubts about why the CIA could not find him. I was under a misunderstanding about the CIA. I thought they were like Pakistan's ISI. The only difference is that the ISI openly defies the government and the CIA is a bit more discreet (specially after the Iran-Contra scandal). You got to hand it to those boys , I doubt if even the ISI would dare to counterfeit their country's currency. Thanks for explaining it so well and also for using small words, I am not as clever as you Jason but I try my best .
So they blindfold a journalist in Karachi and take him all the way to Kabul or Kandahar. Here are a few snippets of conversation from the journey.
Passer by :- Hey Talib say hello to Usama from me. Who's the bloke in the blindfold ?
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Stewardess :- Mr. Taliban would you like an olive or a pickled onion with your islamic martini ? And what about the gentleman in the blindfold ? Would he like some islamic bourbon on the rocks ?
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Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Lalooprasad Yadav:
So they blindfold a journalist in Karachi and take him all the way to Kabul or Kandahar.

Most assuredly, because I doubt the journalist would have attempted to leave Karachi in order to find bin Laden. Maybe he just looked up "bin Laden, Osama" in the phone book, gave him a call to arrange a meeting. Possible he arranged a meeting via email, by sending a message to osama@alqueda.net. The other possibility is he went to Kandahar and bought one of those tourist "Maps to Terrorist Hiding Places", similar to the "Maps to the Stars' Homes" you can get in California, and simply went to Osama's cave to say "hi".
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my ICQ says osama is online. i will IM him and ask
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Anonymous
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I think I agree with Lalooprasad..
Assuming Pakistan's cooperation in finding bin Laden was not "half-hearted" this is what it would do.
The ISI and the seemingly friendly Musharraf regime would tell "mir" the journalist that it is his duty to help his country
(Pakistan) help find bin Laden. So he should tip them off/CIA whenever he arranges an interview. The CIA then injects a microscopic GPS equipped bug inside him. The GPS equppied bug communicates with a U-2 spy plane. All you need to know is the
general location of the place and once the GPS & U-2 combo determine a 5-10 mile radius where bin Laden could possibly be. You could then bomb that place.

Ian Lockwood
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I can see a good patriotic journalist agreeing to a GPS implant so that he could be the hiuman sacrifice in the bobing?
I don't think that Osam is really that stupid either. If he though the journalist had a bug he would probably get his henchmen to take him to some foreign embassey somwhere so that that would get bombed. Osama has no trouble sacrificing his men and the Americans have a history of accidentaly bombing their friends and allies.

I deleted your dupe post.
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omar khan
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The NSA, the CIA and the FBI are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals.
The President decides to give them a test.
He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it.
The NSA goes into the forest. They place animal informants throughout the forest.
They question all plant and mineral witnesses.
After three months of extensive investigations, they conclude that rabbits do not exist.
The CIA goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit and they make no apologies.
The rabbit had it coming.
The FBI goes in. They come out just two hours later with a badly beaten bear.
The bear is yelling: "Okay, okay, I'm a rabbit, I'm a rabbit."
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Sooby Doo:
I think I agree with Lalooprasad..
Assuming Pakistan's cooperation in finding bin Laden was not "half-hearted" this is what it would do.
The ISI and the seemingly friendly Musharraf regime would tell "mir" the journalist that it is his duty to help his country
(Pakistan) help find bin Laden. So he should tip them off/CIA whenever he arranges an interview. The CIA then injects a microscopic GPS equipped bug inside him. The GPS equppied bug communicates with a U-2 spy plane. All you need to know is the
general location of the place and once the GPS & U-2 combo determine a 5-10 mile radius where bin Laden could possibly be. You could then bomb that place.


I haven't seen many journalists to whom patriotism is something that would motivate them. And besides, on the off chance that some kind of implanted GPS transmitter did exist, wouldn't the necessary antennae sticking out of some part of his anatomy draw some questions?
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Greg Harris
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Originally posted by Sooby Doo:
All you need to know is the general location of the place and once the GPS & U-2 combo determine a 5-10 mile radius where bin Laden could possibly be. You could then bomb that place.

actually, the U-2 / GPS could get it a little closer than that...
however, do you really think these journalists are getting interviews with bin laden without being searched extensively? they aren't even using tape recorders to take their notes... they are using paper/pencil. the actual recorded messages are prepared by bin laden and then sent to some media outlet. i doubt they have any electronics on them when they are blindfolded and put in the car.
Andy Ceponis
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Maybe we can make a gps the size of a large pill and then just bend jesse jackson over and stuff the pill in him, send him over to that desert and bomb at will.
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Andy Ceponis:
Maybe we can make a gps the size of a large pill and then just bend jesse jackson over and stuff the pill in him, send him over to that desert and bomb at will.

A Global Positioning Suppository?
Anonymous
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There was a journalist that was interviewed on 60 Minutes that had interviewed Bin Laden on several occasions, the last one being in 1998. He claimed that even back then, well before the current situation, Bin Laden had many, many rules that were enforced before any interview was granted. On all occasions, the reporter met several Taliban members at a location. The reporter was thoroughly searched and made to change clothing. He was then blindfolded and transported to an unknown location. There were times when he'd be driven around and around and around, only to be dropped off without getting any interview. He was never allowed to remove the blindfold before entering the building and the building was always devoid of windows and pictures. He was not allowed cameras, or even paper and pencil. The Taliban would actually use their own cameras, tape the interview for the reporter, then edit it. They would then reblindfold the reporter, take him back (by what must have been a different route than was taken to get there because it never took the same amount of time) and then gave him the tape that they had recorded and edited. If the Taliban and Bin Laden went to those lengths in the early 90's, think what must be happening now.
 
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