Is there away create session in java class NOT servlet class ?

Hello all
im new to servlets , is there any way to create http session in ordinary java class
under tomcat ?

You don't create sessions. The container does it on your behalf.

You need a reference to a HttpServletRequest to make a new session, so it won't work in an ordinary class.

ok i understand
maybe i rephrase my question , do i have extend HttpServlet when i like to create sessions before im
entering jsp page?

my flow needs to be :

java class that creates session with complex logic --> forward to jsp page that reads the session data and updates some session attributes .

You should be going

-> request comes in
-> call complex method and get the results
-> put the results on the session

The complex class should not need to know about 'sessions' and sessions shouldn't know about complex methods.

Hi,
I'm not sure about your problem.
However, can't you make the complex work into a servlet that, as a final action, dispatches the request to your jsp?
Alternatively, you might create a ThreadLocal containing your session that is initialized and released with a filter. But, saying the truth, I don't seem a good idea.

David has said clearly. You better dont mix them.

In case of jsp, you will get access to 'session' as its one of the implicit objects and will be accessible without declaring/importing it.

In case of Servlet, you will have to have a reference to HttpServletRequest with which you can request for a session through getSession(boolean) method. As marc said, the container is gonna give you.

If at all a java class has to be a Servlet, it needs to be a part/member of Servlet Arena. Any class becomes a member by either extending any of the GenericServlet/HttpServlet or implementing the javax.servlet.Servlet interface. Without which the class can't be a Servlet.

As HttpServlet is predominant and mostly in use, extending HttpServlet will do because HttpServlet inturn extends GenericServlet which inturn implements the javax.servlet.Servlet interface.

HtH.

Originally posted by Satou kurinosuke:
You need a reference to a HttpServletRequest to make a new session, so it won't work in an ordinary class.

Satou, thats would be tricky for a newbie.

So, the bottomline is you don't make sessions - container does that for you, as already said by Bear.

ok thanks for the fast reply folks , what if i like to know how to
do it with ordenry class? where can i find info or tutorial ?
another question , can i tell tomcat to run ordenry java class first when
my webapp is started , i know how to do it with servlet , but not with
simple class
thanks

what if i like to know how to do it with ordenry class?

You need a reference to an HttpServletRequest from which you can get a session. Whether the code to get the session is in the servlet class or some other class is immaterial, but as pointed out, for the sake of separating concerns, you should do it in the servlet.

can i tell tomcat to run ordenry java class first when
my webapp is started , i know how to do it with servlet , but not with
simple class

If you're using at least Servlet API 2.3, then you can use the javax.servlet.ServletContextListener to run code at startup time. That's much to be preferred over the load-at-startup setting in web.xml.

If you're using at least Servlet API 2.3, then you can use the javax.servlet.ServletContextListener to run code at startup time. That's much to be preferred over the load-at-startup setting in web.xml.

And just to make sure there's no confusion, don't expect to make a new session from a ServletContextListener.

And just to make sure there's no confusion, don't expect to make a new session from a ServletContextListener.

Good point. A session is associated with a particular web client -which is represented by a request-, so a session without a request makes no sense.

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[ May 24, 2007: Message edited by: Bear Bibeault ]

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